The coronavirus panic proves how easily manipulated people are and how the media sensationalizes everything

The danger is what the coronavirus might become if it mutates. Thats why its spread needs to be stopped.

Regards,

WHO

Gregory House wrote:

The danger is what the coronavirus might become if it mutates. Thats why its spread needs to be stopped.

Regards,

WHO

Influenza mutates every season and often during the season. That's why the vaccine is not as effective as they would like it to be and why it cannot yet be eradicated. Even a mutated coronavirus would pale in comparison to the mortality rate of influenza.

The post is not to say that coronavirus is not dangerous, it's to point out that everyone is so afraid of something that is not nearly as deadly as what they already walk around breathing, touching, licking and f**king every day.

Thank you.

Crocodiles kill hundreds of people a year. Imagine if a new type of crocodile was found that lives in trees and swoops down on a couple of people and eats them.

Then they find another one nearby and another one a bit further away.

Now there's 3 of these things. Who knows how far they've spread really? They've killed 2 people (loads less than normal crocodiles) but they're completely new and we're not sure whether they're growing, changing, learning, whether they'll learn to fly.

Objectively the deaths of 2 people compared to hundreds don't matter, but the newness, the uncertainty and the questions mean that this really is worth our attention.

Facts Matter wrote:

Fact:

Since the outbreak began at the beginning of December, 2019, as of January 29, 2020 - 170 people have died from the virus.

Fact:

According to the CDC, during the 21 week long 2018/2019 influenza season, there were 35.5 MILLION people sickened by the flu and 34,200 deaths. That's 232 influenza deaths EVERY * SINGLE * DAY!

The flu is exponentially more contagious than the coronavirus yet no one panics. There is already a vaccine and people refuse to get it. So far for the 2020 flu season, there have been 8,200 deaths and 140,000 hospitalizations. Contrast that with the 6000 cases of the coronavirus and 170 deaths and simply put...

... you all make no sense at all!

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

well anyone with a brain knows this already. its mostly social media and also more and more general media following any doomsday cult. "climate change will kill us all", "hit on iran will start ww3", "corona beer will kill us all" are only examples of this.

Facts Matter wrote:

Fact:

Since the outbreak began at the beginning of December, 2019, as of January 29, 2020 - 170 people have died from the virus.

Fact:

According to the CDC, during the 21 week long 2018/2019 influenza season, there were 35.5 MILLION people sickened by the flu and 34,200 deaths. That's 232 influenza deaths EVERY * SINGLE * DAY!

The flu is exponentially more contagious than the coronavirus yet no one panics. There is already a vaccine and people refuse to get it. So far for the 2020 flu season, there have been 8,200 deaths and 140,000 hospitalizations. Contrast that with the 6000 cases of the coronavirus and 170 deaths and simply put...

... you all make no sense at all!

I've sucessfully bought into this machine. I'm hoping that, as this is the first large outbreak in a world with widespread social media that it is all hype. But I'm fearful that's not the case.

A few reasons we should be scared...

The coronavirus has an incubation period of ~13 days, where it can still be transmitted from person to person...we don't have any idea how many cases are actually out there. Seems to be more contagious than the flu too.

Mortality rate is somewhere in the range of 3- 50%... dead over infected - dead over survived... Huge and devastating range. Flu is at least an order of magnitude, if not two, less lethal.

We don't know so much. There's some speculation that this could actually be an opportunistic bacterial-post-viral infection.

Optimistic take is that low air-quality in china drives these numbers up. But why do we trust china's numbers...we have more of a reason not to trust them....

In all, this gives viral-videos/viral-memes grounding in the real, and will hopefully wake people up. Additionally, this will show that the CDC should have never poured money into obesity/metabolic disorders research and should have stuck to the actually scary things.

Something you can probably bet, is that China is only releasing the 'good' news.

They were arresting people originally for talking about it.

Chances are the figures being put out are extremely conservative.

Well.... wrote:

Something you can probably bet, is that China is only releasing the 'good' news.

They were arresting people originally for talking about it.

Chances are the figures being put out are extremely conservative.

So assume you are correct and it's much worse than being reported. Even if it was 10 times worse, meaning 60,000 cases and 1700 deaths, it still would not even equal half of the confirmed 140,000 hospitalized cases of influenza and 8,200 deaths so far this flu season.

If you are afraid of getting the coronavirus, you should be terrified of getting the flu.

The flu has been extensively studied and researched. We have a well developed vaccine strategy against it. Yes, it kills, but we have found no way around that. Most of the deaths are the elderly, children, and people with underlying health conditions.

The coronavirus is a new threat. Less studied and understood. Easily spread. No vaccine yet. Nobody is saying it's going to be a mass killer. They're saying that it could be. We just don't know yet, and the top medical researchers around the world, who maybe know a bit more about this than the OP, say we should pay attention to it. That's not sensationalizing. You are the one projecting any sensationalizing. Read the news, take it for what it's worth. A lot of coverage does not amount to sensationalizing.

If you have a specific headline or article you think is sensationalizing, please share it. Otherwise, STFU.

You are uninformed. Coronavisuses ARE NOT NEW. The last outbreak was SARS, which is a coronavirus. Everyone freaked back in 2003 over that one. After all was said and done 800 people died, no where near the 48,000 that died from influenza during the same time period.

MERS came next in 2012, also a coronavirus. MERS has killed 858 since 2012, which is NO WHERE NEAR the hundreds of thousands that have died from influenza in the same time period.

Educate yourself or live your life as a sheep.

The death to infected ratio is 2-3%.

I don't know what's the ratio for the Influenza.

Time will tell if it's a fad or not. We can't say for now.

If the coronarivus is aggressively contained in time for a vaccine to be developed, it will be a one time event like SARS and MERS. If it is not contained and spreads around the world before a vaccine can be deployed, it may be able to mutate and persist year after year. It would then be the flu 2.0. The mortality rate for coronavirus is running at about 2-4%. Influenza is less than 1%. If you had both the flu and coronavirus persisting in the environment, you would overwhelm the health care system in the US and would have mass death in third world countries that do not have the health care infrastructure to contain a highly contagious disease.

The Democrat party and liberal media also prove how easily manipulated people are and how the media sensationalizes everything

^ This appears deliberately obtuse.

Coronaviruses are not new - this coronavirus is new, and the more new, harmful, viruses exist, the more likely it is that a really unpleasant one will evolve.

Is it this one? Nobody knows yet. It seems good at spreading. If it spreads worldwide and evolves into a more potent form, it could be very dangerous and difficult to contain.

Letsee wrote:

The death to infected ratio is 2-3%.

I don't know what's the ratio for the Influenza.

Time will tell if it's a fad or not. We can't say for now.

Incorrect, you are looking at the hospitalization to death ratio of 2-3% since no one yet knows how many are actually infected and either asymptomatic or self treating. For the 2018/2019 influenza season, we have those numbers and there were 490,600 hospitalizations to 34,200 deaths for a hospitalization to death ratio of 6.9%.

I know you are in denial but influenza is a perpetual global pandemic that we just accept year after year. Again, the point is not that this coronavirus should be ignored, the point is that the flu is ignored when it should not be. If you have not gotten a flu shot and you are concerned by the coronavirus, you deserve to get it!

Hey Fluboy -STFU already.

Facts Matter wrote:

Fact:

Since the outbreak began at the beginning of December, 2019, as of January 29, 2020 - 170 people have died from the virus.

Fact:

According to the CDC, during the 21 week long 2018/2019 influenza season, there were 35.5 MILLION people sickened by the flu and 34,200 deaths. That's 232 influenza deaths EVERY * SINGLE * DAY!

The flu is exponentially more contagious than the coronavirus yet no one panics. There is already a vaccine and people refuse to get it. So far for the 2020 flu season, there have been 8,200 deaths and 140,000 hospitalizations. Contrast that with the 6000 cases of the coronavirus and 170 deaths and simply put...

... you all make no sense at all!

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

The irony of using China’s state-released “facts” as the basis of your argument is the funniest thing I’ve read this morning. You actually prove your own point regarding the ease of manipulation... even if you’re unaware of it.

hillrunning123 wrote:

The irony of using China’s state-released “facts” as the basis of your argument is the funniest thing I’ve read this morning. You actually prove your own point regarding the ease of manipulation... even if you’re unaware of it.

If you don't believe Chinese numbers, look at cases elsewhere. There are more than a hundred confirmed cases and not a single fatality. Not looking that deadly.

oh fck off, you don't know me. I've written about MERS. I know that a coronavirus is a class of viruses. But we don't know that much about this one. You have clearly missed my point. You can't just look at the numbers of deaths. The news coverage is about what is new and uncertain. That's not sensationalizing.

Nevermind, you're smarter than WHO, and I'm a sheep for trusting experts.

Precious Roy wrote:

If the coronarivus is aggressively contained in time for a vaccine to be developed, it will be a one time event like SARS and MERS. If it is not contained and spreads around the world before a vaccine can be deployed, it may be able to mutate and persist year after year. It would then be the flu 2.0. The mortality rate for coronavirus is running at about 2-4%. Influenza is less than 1%. If you had both the flu and coronavirus persisting in the environment, you would overwhelm the health care system in the US and would have mass death in third world countries that do not have the health care infrastructure to contain a highly contagious disease.

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