There was a settlement against Johnson and Johnson in Oklahoma this week and Pursue Pharma is proposing a settlement in their own opioid lawsuit(s). This sounds like a huge deal but I am not aware of a single person addicted to these drugs. How big is this?
News of the opioid crisis, to me, reads like news from a foreign country. I’m just not seeing it.
I know several people who have died from opiods. Several others who have been addicted.
I don't know of a single person addicted or deceased from opioid addiction.
Seems like a rural country thing to me.
my brother passed this yr from Opioid OD. lots of things listed on the toxicology, one being fentanyl so it would be hard to point directly at pills, but they were also listed/present where he passed.
I live in a very populated area of a legal state, and I have only heard about fentanyl issues, but that's because a neighbor of mine works in a drug treatment center.
Much of my street smells like weed now and then, though.
My mom has rheumatoid arthritis and pops oxy pills like chiclets. Every now and then she has to go off them and take over the counter pain meds for a couple weeks so she can do blood work. She does have more pain when off oxy, but has no withdrawal and no cravings. She has never had issues with wanting higher dosage. Oxy is very effective for her RA and makes a huge difference in her quality of life.
My wife's uncle was prescribed oxy after back surgery and it nearly killed him. He thinks that he was addicted after a week. He was always asked for a higher dosage and lied about his pain to keep the prescriptions coming. Eventually, he was taking so much that he would run out well before he could get refills and was buying it from drug dealers. Once the money started to disappear, his family quickly figured it out and got him into addiction treatment. A few years later, he still has cravings every now and then and has to go to support groups and meet with addiction counselors.
That is what is so frustrating about opioids. You cannot tell who will become addicted and the addiction happens incredibly fast. But for those who aren't prone to addiction, the drug can work wonders.
A good friend of mine has a brother who died of a heroin overdose, and I have a distant cousin who is currently in rehab for heroin. Both became addicted as teenagers following sports-related surgeries. One was a D1 soccer athlete who never finished freshman year due to the addiction (kicked off team and out of school).
Both were/are from fairly well-to-do families without addiction issues and were on good paths. Obviously, one died and the other has a pretty abysmal road ahead.
It is real and it does not only affect hillbillies and rednecks.
My young adult son died from an OD, toxicology showed fentanyl and some other designer drug I’d never heard of. Fvck you, opioid makers. Fvck you all to heII.
I had a coworker pass away and I know at least 2 people who were a grade or two above back in high school who passed away(post graduation). I think fentanyl was the cause more the opioids though
Dr. Fill wrote:
So what you're saying is that you failed as a father and role model, huh?
Don’t know if the post previous to yours is on the level or not. If it is, I hope his pain is visited on you someday. Of course, karma unfortunately doesn’t always work that way. You are a horrible person.
Barabbas wrote:
Dr. Fill wrote:
So what you're saying is that you failed as a father and role model, huh?
Don’t know if the post previous to yours is on the level or not. If it is, I hope his pain is visited on you someday. Of course, karma unfortunately doesn’t always work that way. You are a horrible person.
I think this guy must be in pain to write something like this. In my opinion, the internet has created sociopaths in all of us, and it is terrifying.
To the father: You don't need me to tell you this, but it had nothing to do with you. In fact, the two families I mentioned in my post are some of the most supportive and loving families imaginable. God bless you and please know that someone out there cares about you.
A 25 year old in my neighborhood, college educated from a very good school, became addicted to opioids and robbed a drug store, armed. He was immediately caught, tried, and somewhat remarkably, is only serving a two year prison sentence. His father had recently died of brain cancer, and was prescribed pills - understandably - to deal with end of life pain. The kid, obviously in emotional pain, dabbled in his father's pills and got hooked. This anecdotal story demonstrate why the comment about faulty parenting was both hugely insensitive and idiotic. I feel for his mother and sister , two of the nicest people on the planet.
The town 15 miles from me has billboards all over telling EVERYONE to carry narcan because the rate of overdose is so high. I have rentals in that town (for 20 years) and just had a couple houses raided. One had a nearly fatal overdose between the eviction court date and the set out date. None of the people staying at the house knew the person I rented to. She was a good tenant until she got busted and went straight to jail. It's gotten so bad, I finally decided to sell my rentals there and replace them in another town that doesn't have near the same problem because the judge is much more severe to those caught with drugs.
Out of the Loop wrote:
There was a settlement against Johnson and Johnson in Oklahoma this week and Pursue Pharma is proposing a settlement in their own opioid lawsuit(s). This sounds like a huge deal but I am not aware of a single person addicted to these drugs. How big is this?
News of the opioid crisis, to me, reads like news from a foreign country. I’m just not seeing it.
My Sales Manager. Mid Fifties, well off. About a year and a half deterioration. Completely useless the last 6 months. Finally succumbed.
I'm aware of a very similar situation with the brother of a co-worker in terms of profile.
My view is somewhat slanted because I work in addiction with medication assisted treatment. My interest in the field came because my older sister died from an overdose on vicodin. Our family watched her struggle and cycle through rehab multiple times but at that time she was always able to find someone willing to write her mass quantities of pills. Its stricter now due to awareness and given that I that as well as the power of opioid addiction I am sure she would have transitioned to heroin once her access to pills dried up.
In any event, it is a pretty big problem given that statistically speaking young adults are more likely to die from an overdose than a MVA.
According to the National Safety Council’s new report, a person born in 2017 has a greater chance of dying from an accidental opioid overdose—one in 96— than the one-in-103 odds of dying from a motor vehicle crash. This now makes opioid overdose, considered accidental, a Top 5 cause of death behind heart disease, cancer, chronic lower respiratory disease and suicide.
Dr. Fill wrote:So what you're saying is that you failed as a father and role model, huh?
Yes I surely did fail. He started to dabble with drugs in his teens after getting caught up with “the wrong crowd.” He was a very shy and sensitive kid. I quit drinking several years earlier to try to set a better example, and he had tried several times to get clean. When he passed we were convinced he had been clean for about a year and seemed to be doing great.
I know you wrote what you did to be an a$$hole; the internet brings out the sociopath in all of us. But nevertheless you are not wrong. The most important responsibility I ever had, I botched it up completely, and I will live with that as long as I’m still around.
It is a chronic disease, not a moral failing. The tragedy of your aons death is not your fault. I am very sorry for your loss.
Free_tge_thigh wrote:
I had a coworker pass away and I know at least 2 people who were a grade or two above back in high school who passed away(post graduation). I think fentanyl was the cause more the opioids though
fentanyl is an opiod.
The truth about addiction wrote:It is a chronic disease, not a moral failing. The tragedy of your aons death is not your fault. I am very sorry for your loss.Yes, addiction is a disease (or at least I believe it to be), and I don't think any less of my son for the way he passed. He was a great young man, my close friend, ridiculously sensitive, kind and thoughtful. But raising him, setting an example, guiding him and helping him avoid disaster was my responsibility (and that of my spouse). I'm not fully responsible for his passing, but I am surely to some degree responsible. So the dude with acute a$$hole-it is that called me out was right. That doesn't make him any less a sociopathic a$$hole though.
its pretty common wrote:
According to the National Safety Council’s new report, a person born in 2017 has a greater chance of dying from an accidental opioid overdose—one in 96— than the one-in-103 odds of dying from a motor vehicle crash. This now makes opioid overdose, considered accidental, a Top 5 cause of death behind heart disease, cancer, chronic lower respiratory disease and suicide.
Wow. 1 in 100 is pretty damn high for both - cars and opiods.
RIP, ****. We had a good friend die of addiction although if he were alive I doubt he'd actually say the opiod makers were to blame as he had addiction issues before eventually going to heroin/fetanyl, etc.