I am not talking about broken bones and such but moderate injuries that lasts for 2-7 days .
Does the theory 'Muscle/Bone fragments tearing down and then rebuilding it much stronger' apply here ?
or do some runner reach their peak without even a single running injury ?
Find me one person who is fast and who doesn't get minor injuries occasionally.
No, injuries are not a part of getting better. They are a sign of imbalance, weakness or overtraining.
The healthiest runners run the fastest.
leg bone. wrote:
No, injuries are not a part of getting better. They are a sign of imbalance, weakness or overtraining.
The healthiest runners run the fastest.
Frank Shorter said something along the lines that runners are the sickest and fittest people on earth.
leg bone. wrote:
No, injuries are not a part of getting better. They are a sign of imbalance, weakness or overtraining.
The healthiest runners run the fastest.
And inferior genetics
leg bone. wrote:
No, injuries are not a part of getting better. They are a sign of imbalance, weakness or overtraining.
The healthiest runners run the fastest.
You mean the Healthy runner never gets injured ?
Internetsherlock wrote:
leg bone. wrote:
No, injuries are not a part of getting better. They are a sign of imbalance, weakness or overtraining.
The healthiest runners run the fastest.
You mean the Healthy runner never gets injured ?
No, I mean that healthy runners run faster than injured runners.
Internetsherlock wrote:
I am not talking about broken bones and such but moderate injuries that lasts for 2-7 days .
Does the theory 'Muscle/Bone fragments tearing down and then rebuilding it much stronger' apply here ?
or do some runner reach their peak without even a single running injury ?
For runners, it isn't much about muscle/bone, but the fascia (connective tissues, i.e. tendon, ligaments, "bands", etc.). Muscle strength building is relatively straightforward. You got sore, and get stronger when it heals. The fascia takes much longer to heal and require mechanical input to rebuild properly (like bread dough that needs kneading). 90% of running injuries involve the fascia (even when you pull a hamstring, it isn't the muscle cells themselves that is damaged, but the fascial sheath surrounding it).
Whether tearing down the fascia will make it stronger or not is not something you can predict. Some injuries are chronic, permanent and career ending. It may be possible to strengthen it without having to tear it down, because it is dynamically remodeled in response to mechanical pressure. This is still relatively new area in human anatomy and physiology. Traditional sport science is still centered around muscles and bones (and the fascia are non-descript boring wrappings). I think what limit runners progress is not cardio or muscle conditioning, but these "niggles" and "injuries", which are mainly due to trying to remodel the fascia too fast. So, slow down. Increase gradually. Massage/roll. Stretch. Relax.
If you have never been injured you have never made it to the edge of what you are capable of in training
Thanks for the insightful post . Learnt something new .
Currently down with an ITB injury just when i was about to increase my weekly mileage . I
guess finding a way to avoid these fascia injuries would be somewhat the holy grail for most runners.
Internetsherlock wrote:
Thanks for the insightful post . Learnt something new .
Currently down with an ITB injury just when i was about to increase my weekly mileage . I
guess finding a way to avoid these fascia injuries would be somewhat the holy grail for most runners.
The holy grail is to run less mileage . Only enough what it takes to compliment your workouts to reach your goal.
Coach Stuff wrote:
If you have never been injured you have never made it to the edge of what you are capable of in training
No, you've never made it OVER the edge. To the edge should be fine.
And injury, despite how common it is, is certainly not required to make progress, nor is it a badge of honor. If you've hurt yourself you've f*cked up in some way (however minor). It's something to learn from. Absolutely not something to make you faster.
Prince of the Kenyan highlands wrote:
Internetsherlock wrote:
Thanks for the insightful post . Learnt something new .
Currently down with an ITB injury just when i was about to increase my weekly mileage . I
guess finding a way to avoid these fascia injuries would be somewhat the holy grail for most runners.
The holy grail is to run less mileage . Only enough what it takes to compliment your workouts to reach your goal.
Proper Less Mileage training wouldn't even be possible with a lingering injury
bs... wrote:
Coach Stuff wrote:
If you have never been injured you have never made it to the edge of what you are capable of in training
No, you've never made it OVER the edge. To the edge should be fine.
And injury, despite how common it is, is certainly not required to make progress, nor is it a badge of honor. If you've hurt yourself you've f*cked up in some way (however minor). It's something to learn from. Absolutely not something to make you faster.
Amen. Thank you, nice to see an intelligent post regarding running injuries etc. It is not a badge of honer getting an injury, it is a MISTAKE. There are so many poor coaches out there that think injuries are just part of the game, so they coach everyone the same way and keep throwing the sh*t against the wall and hope it works, when it does they think they are great coaches, when it doesn't they blame the athletes.
leg bone. wrote:
bs... wrote:
[quote]Coach Stuff wrote:
No, you've never made it OVER the edge. To the edge should be fine.
And injury, despite how common it is, is certainly not required to make progress, nor is it a badge of honor. If you've hurt yourself you've f*cked up in some way (however minor). It's something to learn from. Absolutely not something to make you faster.
Amen. Thank you, nice to see an intelligent post regarding running injuries etc. It is not a badge of honer getting an injury, it is a MISTAKE. There are so many poor coaches out there that think injuries are just part of the game, so they coach everyone the same way and keep throwing the sh*t against the wall and hope it works, when it does they think they are great coaches, when it doesn't they blame the athletes.
I agree with both posters above, who say to avoid injury rather than accept it as cost of doing business.
There is a strength and conditioning coach who has made the comment that “Rule #1 is, don’t injure yourself in training.”
I say this because someone who has trained extremely high performing athletes (olympian and pro athletes) occasionally gets it right. Many do not.
There is nothing you can do about some in-competition injuries, like if a runner clips you in a 5k, and you go down. That kinda thing couldn’t have been prevented by intelligent training.
But i feel like the role of training is both to get better and to make your body resistant to injury. Stabilizer muscles should be healthy and robust, for example. .
Like, a soccer player might have more musculature to support change of direction, or absorbing impact when getting knocked off balance. But people who run in a straight line all the time, on a perfectly flat surface, seem to lose some of that ability, unless they incorporate it into training.
I watched galen rupp the year he won prague marathon, and he slows almost to a walk, to do a hairpin turn near the end of the race. It just seemed so obvious that he didn’t trust his ankles or knees to do a simple turn around a cone without incurring an injury. Interesting!
Injuries will happen occasionally but should not be expected.
If you train properly, progress sensibly, eat well and get appropriate sleep you can avoid most injuries and reach your potential. You also needs great genes to be great.
leg bone. wrote:
Internetsherlock wrote:
You mean the Healthy runner never gets injured ?
No, I mean that healthy runners run faster than injured runners.
Not if they have insane talent ex: person in my state who got second in the 800 and ran 1:51 was injured for all of winter and had limited training in the spring yet he still ran 1:51 as a junior
This is an interesting question.
It is probably more philosophical than practical.
I imagine it's like asking if getting hurt a part of experiencing love.
Proust wrote:
This is an interesting question.
It is probably more philosophical than practical.
I imagine it's like asking if getting hurt a part of experiencing love.
Yes! It’s philosophical, but if you never question the assumptions that are handed to you, then your behavior would kinda reflect the false assumptions.
I have wondered to myself whether some athletes have a certain amount of Munchhausen’s syndrome?
I remember hearing of a young cross country athlete (a junior high girl??) being expected to “finish out the season” with some type of foot pain or ankle pain. (Crap, im the worst storyteller) Like, the assumption that if the girl doesn’t want to tape up the injury and run, that she is somehow not a real athlete?!?
leg bone. wrote:
No, injuries are not a part of getting better. They are a sign of imbalance, weakness or overtraining.
The healthiest runners run the fastest.
I was about to say exactly that. ^