Asbel Kiprop will get off without a ban

asdfghjkl wrote:

If the facts in this article are true Asbel Kiprop may get off with no ban at all. Everyone assumed he was guilty and that was it after his test came back positive but after reading the article there is a real chance he may have been clean at the time of testing. Seems odd for someone if he knew he was guilty to be so adamant that he didn't do anything wrong and stand by his story.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/sports/2019-03-23-kiprop-maintains-his-innocence-before-iaafaiu-tribunal/

If the IAAF agree with Kiprop and decide that he was clean and that his positive test was due to the Kenyan anti-doping testers tampering with his sample (and that appears to be his only hope), then the IAAF ought to suspend Kenya.

Don't know where that would leave Kiprop though.

This case is very confusing. It is a puzzle and no one knows where the truth lies.

NativeSon wrote:

This case is very confusing. It is a puzzle and no one knows where the truth lies.

Here’s the truth:

1. Kiprop is a doper.

And/Or

2. Kenya— AK and/or whoever conducts drug testing— are too corrupt to be trusted to administer reliable drug testing.

Choose one or both.

The statements below are key and I think will acquit Asbel

New star wrote:

"To date, WADA whose accredited laboratory was used to examine the sample states that there are no results on Asbel's sample. This is, in contradistinction from what IAAF/AIU alleged as positive results," heard the Tribunal.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/sports/2019-03-23-kiprop-maintains-his-innocence-before-iaafaiu-tribunal/

Kigen maintained that Asbel's blood samples for November 22, 2017, being five days before he was implicated does not support the alleged existence of EPO neither does blood sample collected two days after, November 29.

"If my client had doped, these samples of 22nd and 29th would have shown in blood passports," he said.

Also:

1. Why are they testing for EPO 7 months before competition? Isn't this a waste of resources?

2. Why hasn't the person who collected the sample been summoned by WADA to explain himself/herself

Joplas wrote:

The statements below are key and I think will acquit Asbel

New star wrote:

"To date, WADA whose accredited laboratory was used to examine the sample states that there are no results on Asbel's sample. This is, in contradistinction from what IAAF/AIU alleged as positive results," heard the Tribunal.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/sports/2019-03-23-kiprop-maintains-his-innocence-before-iaafaiu-tribunal/

Kigen maintained that Asbel's blood samples for November 22, 2017, being five days before he was implicated does not support the alleged existence of EPO neither does blood sample collected two days after, November 29.

"If my client had doped, these samples of 22nd and 29th would have shown in blood passports," he said.

Also:

1. Why are they testing for EPO 7 months before competition? Isn't this a waste of resources?

2. Why hasn't the person who collected the sample been summoned by WADA to explain himself/herself

Are you dumb? Most doping takes place out of competition season. The doping is to allow recovery from intense training, which in turn leads to times that would not be possible without the doping fueled training.

Doping doesn't make you faster, it allows you to train harder and recover faster than clean athletes.

Kvothe wrote:

Joplas wrote:

The statements below are key and I think will acquit Asbel

Also:

1. Why are they testing for EPO 7 months before competition? Isn't this a waste of resources?

2. Why hasn't the person who collected the sample been summoned by WADA to explain himself/herself

Are you dumb? Most doping takes place out of competition season. The doping is to allow recovery from intense training, which in turn leads to times that would not be possible without the doping fueled training.

Doping doesn't make you faster, it allows you to train harder and recover faster than clean athletes.

Right?

Suddenly there is some semblance of OOC drug testing in Kenya then suddenly, BAM, testers land one of the biggest fish thriving in the muck.

What a horrible article. It basically just repeated Kiprop's talking points. Some of which are absolutely irrelevant (it was 7 months before his competition) and several others of which are sure to be contested by the other party to the hearing.

asdfghjkl wrote:

If the facts in this article are true Asbel Kiprop may get off with no ban at all.

Kvothe wrote:

Are you dumb? Most doping takes place out of competition season. The doping is to allow recovery from intense training, which in turn leads to times that would not be possible without the doping fueled training.

Doping doesn't make you faster, it allows you to train harder and recover faster than clean athletes.

Look you imbecile. Also your statement that doping doesn't make you faster is clearly and demonstrably wrong. EPO stimulates the production of red blood cells, which improves delivery of oxygen from the lungs to the working muscles, which in turn allows you to run (or bike or swim or whatever) faster.

Joplas wrote:

Kvothe wrote:

Are you dumb? Most doping takes place out of competition season. The doping is to allow recovery from intense training, which in turn leads to times that would not be possible without the doping fueled training.

Doping doesn't make you faster, it allows you to train harder and recover faster than clean athletes.

Look you imbecile. Also your statement that doping doesn't make you faster is clearly and demonstrably wrong. EPO stimulates the production of red blood cells, which improves delivery of oxygen from the lungs to the working muscles, which in turn allows you to run (or bike or swim or whatever) faster.

That poster is correct. You are dumb for thinking that out of season testing is a "waste".

asdfghjkl wrote:

Seems odd for someone if he knew he was guilty to be so adamant that he didn't do anything wrong and stand by his story.

/

Apparently you are too young to be familiar with Marion Jones or Lance Armstrong.

Kvothe wrote:

Joplas wrote:

The statements below are key and I think will acquit Asbel

Also:

1. Why are they testing for EPO 7 months before competition? Isn't this a waste of resources?

2. Why hasn't the person who collected the sample been summoned by WADA to explain himself/herself

Are you dumb? Most doping takes place out of competition season. The doping is to allow recovery from intense training, which in turn leads to times that would not be possible without the doping fueled training.

Doping doesn't make you faster, it allows you to train harder and recover faster than clean athletes.

At the time when the suspected doping would have been THERE WAS NO INTENSE TRAINING FOR ASBEL!

Is there any proof that the sample was spiked?

Apparently EPO ended up in his sample. That means he is presumptively guilty of doping and has a high hurdle to overcome to convince the panel overwise. Kiprop is not much of a hurdler.

Kvothe wrote:

Joplas wrote:

The statements below are key and I think will acquit Asbel

Also:

1. Why are they testing for EPO 7 months before competition? Isn't this a waste of resources?

2. Why hasn't the person who collected the sample been summoned by WADA to explain himself/herself

Are you dumb? Most doping takes place out of competition season. The doping is to allow recovery from intense training, which in turn leads to times that would not be possible without the doping fueled training.

Doping doesn't make you faster, it allows you to train harder and recover faster than clean athletes.

There's no reason to call anyone dumb or any other needless names. Both of you are undereducated on the subject, and that's completely ok. "Doping" is done both in and out of season- only in different ways and utilizing different regimens. In just a spot check of how autologous transfusions are utilized both in and out of season, listen to this interview. Realize that there are many other performance enhancing drugs that are utilized- some in season and done out of season- each with their own specific routine.

Coevett wrote:

If the IAAF agree with Kiprop and decide that he was clean and that his positive test was due to the Kenyan anti-doping testers tampering with his sample (and that appears to be his only hope), then the IAAF ought to suspend Kenya.

Don't know where that would leave Kiprop though.

Were the anti-doping testers Kenyan?

too lazy to type in password wrote:

Coevett wrote:

If the IAAF agree with Kiprop and decide that he was clean and that his positive test was due to the Kenyan anti-doping testers tampering with his sample (and that appears to be his only hope), then the IAAF ought to suspend Kenya.

Don't know where that would leave Kiprop though.

Were the anti-doping testers Kenyan?

Maybe Ethiopian? ?

What’s the biggest travesty of the week so far? Trump, Smollett or Kiprop?

OJ got off. So did Michael Jackson. Innocence is everywhere.

Why does the time period relative to competition mean anything? These guys dope all the time.

The effects of EPO only last 3 months, is why testers might not want to target someone 7 months out. Get 'em 2 months out.

I'd also hazard a guess that epo taken during the winter is useless as a blood booster for summer competition because overall blood volume is much lower. As the seasons change, it increases and that's when there's room for lots more RBC's.