Wearing Nike 4% shoes is no different from using EPO

Cheater 4% shoes wrote:

In my book someone wearing Nike 4% shoes is no different from someone using EPO/other forms of blood doping. Both are cheating. And if you wear Nike 4% shoes, you are a d-bag. The difference is clear. Marathon world record before EPO got on the scene: 2:06:50. A decade later: 2:06:05. A difference of about 1%. The world record before cheater 4% shoes: 2:02:57. The record afterwards: 2:01:39. A difference of about 2%.

*than

It's no different someone using EPO. There has been a large number of crap threads lately. Are the schools on break?

It's called innovation, just like when pole vault poles, tennis rackets, football helmets, and golf clubs innovated. Other shoe companies are welcome to innovate too.

innovation, my dear. wrote:

It's called innovation, just like when pole vault poles, tennis rackets, football helmets, and golf clubs innovated. Other shoe companies are welcome to innovate too.

EPO is a innovation too.

Running higher than normal hg/hct=pretty unhealthy.

Wearing Nikes=not much worse than any other shoe.

Crap thread wrote:

Cheater 4% shoes wrote:

In my book someone wearing Nike 4% shoes is no different from someone using EPO/other forms of blood doping. Both are cheating. And if you wear Nike 4% shoes, you are a d-bag. The difference is clear. Marathon world record before EPO got on the scene: 2:06:50. A decade later: 2:06:05. A difference of about 1%. The world record before cheater 4% shoes: 2:02:57. The record afterwards: 2:01:39. A difference of about 2%.

*than

It's no different someone using EPO. There has been a large number of crap threads lately. Are the schools on break?

Spring break = HS kids can stay up late and goof off on discussion forums. ?

I think the mods here are kids too.

innovation, my dear. wrote:

It's called innovation, just like when pole vault poles, tennis rackets, football helmets, and golf clubs innovated. Other shoe companies are welcome to innovate too.

^ This guy gets it!

Or like when the teams decided to add mechanical aides on to the bikes and the tour dear France became a motorbike race. Best innovation ever in sport that one. Who needs EPO - vroom vroom!

If that's the case why was the Puma brush spike banned years and years ago and led to the introduction of limited numbers of spikes in shoes? If you want to see people running on shoes 6 inches deep then carry on because a look at the 5% tells you that's where it's going... Deeper and more effective springs. Iaaf needs to introduce a midsole depth limit.

EPO is a medicine, which has been used in endurance sports to improve performance of users. Misuse of EPO can cause health issues.

VP4% are a running shoes. VP4% don't put your health in risk.

Is that right? Thanks for letting me know, I'll get right back out there. See you in London!

Nope. If this were true, EPO would be legal and sold in limited sizes and quantities online.

Doctor Duck wrote:

Wearing Nikes=not much worse than any other shoe.

Go and tell that to Rupp's achilles ....

I look down on hobby joggers who wear these cheater shoes. As a pro, I understand. But as hobby jogger, it's just pathetic.

frayed parateniae wrote:

Doctor Duck wrote:

Wearing Nikes=not much worse than any other shoe.

Go and tell that to Rupp's achilles ....

+1.

We all know that Rupp and Hasay were injured by wearing those shoes.

We also know that Allie was injured by switching from them to ASCIS.

EPO can be bought at drug stores (do not know if you need a prescription for it). There are persons with kidney decease who need it to precent anemia.

So it is completely legal as a medicine.

Listen kids wrote:

I look down on hobby joggers who wear these cheater shoes. As a pro, I understand. But as hobby jogger, it's just pathetic.

Why exactly is that? Should pros be the only people who care how fast they run?

I'll never be anything spectacular in the running world and enjoy racing in them (they're so soft!) so I'm fine with being called a cheater with my 3:09 marathon PR. Greater tragedies in the world, like real doping and running out of oreos.

Listen kids wrote:

I look down on hobby joggers who wear these cheater shoes. As a pro, I understand. But as hobby jogger, it's just pathetic.

Hobby joggers actually get more of a benefit. Do the math, 4% off a 4 hour marathon is a lot more time than 4% off a 2:10 marathon.

And without the hobby jogger market, there is no 4%. You think Nike would invest the r&d money just to give these shoes to elites? It's all about the money you moran.

One of these things is legal to use. The other is not. If in your book there is no difference between the two maybe you should get a better book.