elites in toronto?

not sure, you might want to try posting on

www.tnfnorth.com

your more likely to get a response from that board.

cheers.

Toronto's not a bad running city. There are good trails running along the river valleys that cut through the city, as well as some fairly big parks right in the city (ie High Park). I was able to pretty much completely avoid doing any road mileage -- all grass or trail.

TOC (Toronto Olympic Club) and UTTC (University of Toronto Track Club) are the two big clubs in town for distance. I trained with the UTTC group until leaving Toronto earlier this year, and it's a good group. Currently they have a 3:47 guy and a couple of sub-14:30 guys, with a bunch of other guys who can step up and lead a few intervals.

If you'd like a more detailed rundown on the pros and cons of elite running in Toronto, give me your e-mail address and I'll mail you directly.

Alex, drop me a line if you would. Thanks.

There is an elite group formed in Guelph, Ontario (about 30 min from Toronto) under an Athletics Canada program. You might want to check them out as well, the group has a couple of 14:10 guys fresh out of college and is lead by Dave Scott-Thomas who has built the University of Guelph program into the best distance team in the country.

hi undisclosed,

there is a group of KENYANS that train in HAMILTON(35mins. from toronto) they include(i think still) JOSEPH KAMAU-27:11@10KM/ JOSEPH NDERITU(won ottawa mar.)MOSES MACHARIA(sub 28@10km)

they are there with an agent and there are suppose to be great trails to train on(KAMAU once told me at azalea, that it is the best place he has ever trained)

there are some nice trails in hamilton, but the smog in the city is rather rank. i'd say guelph would be a much better choice. there are a bunch of nice trails and it's about a 45 min drive from toronto (not too much further than hamilton).

Oakville has a few hundred miles of running trails. Usually

along 16 Mile Creek near Upper Middle Rd., I pass 15 to 25

runners. The trail system in Guelph is less developed.

You can run the railtrail from Hamilton to Cambridge, an

ultra. Hamilton has the worst air pollution, and Toronto

can get high on the Ont. Gov. air quality index.

If you like working hills, the Dundas Valley Cons. Area in

Hamilton, and the escarpment at Milton will provide a

challenge. There are running trails along the rivers in

Cambridge, and developed railtrails from Fergus to Cataract,

and Terra Cotta to Palgrave.

Tim Forrester is a whore and I doubt that there are any honkies welcome on Team Kenyada.

Alex is probably Hutchinson, who is the right guy to give you advice on this. Drop him a line

hey aren't all agents considered "whores"????remember one thing, anyone who has gone to school with kenyans or done business with them, know they aren't the most honest people in the world!!ask eddy hellebuyck..he has seemed to do away with managing kenyans.