Your Write-Up on Rabat DL 5k is garbage

You are consistently the worst poster on this website.

I can't believe in 2018 people will get offended and find it controversial to say that "It infers that being European means being white. " Obviously. What's next, should we not infer that Africans are black, that Asians are from Asia, or that Chinese are from China? If you'tr so pissed off about seperating people into broad categories that share similar characteristics, then I guess we should stop even keeping track of age or of the women gender altogether, as this is just an "arbitrary" category in the Sports world. I can appreciate a fast run without needing to know what someone's gender is. Why do you feel the need to harp on this stuff?? It doesn't add to the way one views gender or appreciates the result!

Tell it like it is wrote:

She doesn't even speak Dutch. She's also a massive pain in the @$$.

She does speak quality Dutch, this has been proven before, and she has been in The Netherlands since she was a teen. Stop with the nonsense.

Editor's note: We initially deleted the comment about her not speaking Dutch as it is false. We'll allow this correction to stand.

vivalarepublica wrote:

Tell it like it is wrote:

She doesn't even speak Dutch. She's also a massive pain in the @$$.

She does speak quality Dutch, this has been proven before, and she has been in The Netherlands since she was a teen. Stop with the nonsense.

I can attest to the being a pain in the butt part.

Shobukhova holds the ‘European born’ record, not Radcliffe! Stop with the bias.

Go away nerunner wrote:

You are consistently the worst poster on this website.

True

I just looked up to see what was written.

Quick Take: Sifan Hassan breaks the European record, moves to #7 on all-time list

Hassan has been best-known during her career as a 1500-meter runner, but her range extends from 800 (1:56 pb) to 5000. Last year, she became the first non-African runner to medal in the women’s 5k at Worlds since 2003, and tonight she made more history by erasing Liliya Shobukhova’s 14:23.75 European record from the books by clocking 14:22.34 — a massive 19-second PR for Hassan.

Hassan is just the fifth European woman to break 14:30, but three of them (Shobukhova, Turkey’s Elvan Abeylegesse, and Russia’s Olga Yegorova) have served doping bans. The other European in the sub-14:30 club is Paula Radcliffe (14:29 pb), who remains the only European-born woman to break 14:30.

wejo wrote:

I just looked up to see what was written.

... The other European in the sub-14:30 club is Paula Radcliffe (14:29 pb), who remains the only European-born woman to break 14:30.

Liliya Shobukhova was born in Europe. I just looked up where in Russia she was born to make sure it wasn't on the Asian side.

NERunner053 wrote:

Stop it with the something-born times and records. Those aren't recognized by the IAAF.

So do you complain when the Jamaican Gleaner refers to Brian Williams - who competes for Jamaica - as US born?

There is nothing wrong about talking about where someone was born.

NERunner053 wrote:

Stop it with the something-born times and records. Those aren't recognized by the IAAF.

Sifan Hassan ran very fast today. You correctly called it a European record but then went on to "set the record straight" and made sure to include that Paula Radcliffe holds the European born 5k record.

That isn't a real category. It infers that being European means being white. Who is to say that Hassan isn't as European as Radcliffe. I can appreciate a fast run without needing to know where someone was born. People immigrate. It happens. Why do you feel the need to harp on this stuff?? It doesn't add to the way one views the race or appreciates the result.

The write-up is not garbage. It is excellent as always. However, the need to mention where an athlete is born is a tired practice and I don’t understand it. Anyone reading an LRC article knows that Hassan is not “European-born”. Mentioning the fact adds nothing to the story. The fact that you are offended by it is pretty unnecessary though. Annoying/pointless? Sure. Offensive/racist? Not really.

rojo wrote:So do you complain when the Jamaican Gleaner refers to Brian Williams - who competes for Jamaica - as US born?

He's claiming to be a Jamaican sprinter now?

This is mostly true. I think that people who disagree with me don't understand that I really do like LRC. It's one of the only places I can find a high quality write-up for whatever big race/meet just took place. I appreciate the work being done on that front. At the same time I can ask for the website to do better/evolve/consider other viewpoints. The website is run by older white men. There is no need to get offended by that statement but the founders on this thread said they are doing nothing wrong in the way they write about where people are born. Talk to women. Talk to POC. Talk to pros. Find out why people in those groups avoid this place. There are some problems that need dealing with.

I do think there are racial biases when listing where someone was born but let's just go on that it does not add anything to coverage. You don't get a higher place or more money or better time for getting an X-born result. It's not something we need to keep track of. And LRC, you are inconsistent in when you tell us where someone was born. You only see to use it when an immigrant of a predominantly white country does well or when a white athlete does well. You don't say American born Clayton Murphy runs a 1:46 800. You say Kenyan born wins USA 10k. You can Rupp becomes first American born to win a race in X number of years. Think about why that is and then tell me what you're doing is okay and not completely unnecessary.

Go away nerunner wrote:

You are consistently the worst poster on this website.

Does what I say somehow threaten you? Read my post above this and actually give it some thought and reply. You can disagree and challenge me and have a conversation. I'm very open to that but you generally just attack me and say nothing about what I'm trying to raise. That's pretty damn cowardly. Give me some dialogue instead of just criticizing me.

This is a grey area. I can get Italian citizenship just by showing my birth certificate in my grandfather's town of birth in Italy.

I am 100% Italian as far back as we know. My ancestry is 70% Southern Italian and 30% Middle Eastern and Caucuses.

If I ran for Italy and set a European record- well, I'm 70% European but I'm American born. I'm white, I don't speak Italian and I'm a pain in the butt.

OK and what about Mondo Duplantis? No one questions who he competes for.

I DO think there is a race thing entering into the equation.

There is no concrete answer- at what age is it acceptable to come here?

Bernard Lagat is more patriotic than most people I know. Meb is a true American, raised and educated here.

We have others who came for college and stayed.

People move- when they move to, say, get a regular job no one questions it.

When they set records and compete in Championship sports events they DO question it.

It’s not “racial bias. “. It’s the obvious genetic advantage that people living in and growing up in Africa benefit from when it comes to endurance athletics. People who choose to believe anything else are like the towns people in The Emperor Has No Clothes.

No amount of SJW bullying and shouting down others Will change the fact that an African born endurance athlete who moves to Europe has a distinct and inherent genetic advantage over most athletes of European lineage.

Stop manufacturing fake out rage. It’s really embarrassing for you and your ilk.

EuropeansAreUsuallyWhite wrote:

I can't believe in 2018 people will get offended and find it controversial to say that "It infers that being European means being white. " Obviously. What's next, should we not infer that Africans are black, that Asians are from Asia, or that Chinese are from China?

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Discus Morans wrote:

It’s not “racial bias. “. It’s the obvious genetic advantage that people living in and growing up in Africa benefit from when it comes to endurance athletics. People who choose to believe anything else are like the towns people in The Emperor Has No Clothes.

Geoffrey Kipchumba was born and raised in Kenya and has a personal best of 29:18.11 for 10,000m. Does he have a genetic advantage over Chris Solinsky? Why can’t we say that Solinsky has a genetic advantage over Kipchumba? He’s more than two minutes faster.

Everyone in the world has a different level of talent for distance running and you can find more of the really talented ones in a couple of tribes in East Africa, but that doesn’t mean that every Easy African is automatically better than everyone else.

[quote]wejo wrote:

Last year, she became the first non-African runner to medal in the women’s 5k at Worlds since 2003, {/quote]

I would say she's still a bit African.

This might be the most logically fallacious post on this thread.