Can someone tell me how bad was the weather at Big 10s? Morgan McDonald only ran 14:14 there.

I was there. Howling winds. 6.7m/s in the 200m right before. Terrible conditions.

He was also not in 13:15 shape at the time...

Wow. Being able to get a response like this really illustrates the beauty of LetsRun.com. 20 years ago if you wondered about something like this you would have had to think of someone who was actually there and call them on the phone and hope they remembered. Now, you can get an answer within minutes from someone you've never met. Wow.

Rojo little facts for you from down under. 2011 U18 Aussie National Champ Patrick Tiernan, 2012 U18 Aussie Champion Morgan McDonald. At the 2012 race McDonald won as a 16 year old and beat a 17 year old kid who had run 8:08. In the same 2012 race was McSewyn who just ran 13:19.

Winds were tough. He had Malachy and I think Hacker trying to pace him early on. Hacker dropped out and Malachy finished 2nd. From the looks of it, the winds were tough and they never really got on goal pace. I think he knew this and thus didnt really push it in at the end as well.

As mentioned he is obviously more fit now too. Big PRs in the mile and 5k this summer aren't a bad consolation for missing out at NCAAs

"...who had just *run* 13:19."you idiot

coahc wrote:

Rojo little facts for you from down under. 2011 U18 Aussie National Champ Patrick Tiernan, 2012 U18 Aussie Champion Morgan McDonald. At the 2012 race McDonald won as a 16 year old and beat a 17 year old kid who had run 8:08. In the same 2012 race was McSewyn who just ran 13:19.

[quote]fuzzy cold questions wrote:

"...who had just *run* 13:19."

you idiot

"Who just ran" and "who had just run" are both grammatically correct.

20+ mph winds

http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=weather+may+14+2017+state+college&x=0&y=0

Who had just run.

Who just ran.

Both correct.

Corrector the real idiot; ironic.

Conf meets are tactical more so mentally for the runners. Everyone know its going to a 14:15 type race and that what happens. They ran 67 -68 laps until the end.

Same issue with American women at 800. Everyone thinks that 2:00 is a great time. So, the pack goes out barely breaking 60 and end up 2:00/2:01 ever time. Then Wilson goes 1:55 , hurts like hell but a AR .

Rojo wrote:

McDonald was hurt indoors and missed NCAAs. He then didn't run outdoors until Big 10s which he won in bad weather in 14:14 and thus didn't have a qualifier for NCAAs.

"In hindsight, the injury actually recharged him.When Mother Nature derailed his NCAA outdoor plans at Big Tens, we had to once again refocus and it seemed like fate just kept pointing to London," said Mick Byrne.

My questions is how bad was the weather? It must have been horrific if a 13:15 guy wasn't able to push the pace a little bit to make sure it was at least a 14:00 race.

http://www.nbc15.com/content/sports/McDonald-becomes-Badgers-fastest-undergrad-in-5000-meters-436055763.html

I envision Morgan McDonald will be sort of like Mo Ahmed in that he will have a much better post collegiate career. Its pretty clear that if Mick really wanted him to qualify for regionals he could set up a time trial and hit the 1405 standard, but he probably knew with his late start due to injury he wouldn't be contending for the win so why bother? Mick doesn't race his guys often and that comes at the expense of being really sharp for NCAA competition but it allows them to have room for growth after college.

fuzzy cold questions wrote:

"...who had just *run* 13:19."

you idiot

coahc wrote:

Rojo little facts for you from down under. 2011 U18 Aussie National Champ Patrick Tiernan, 2012 U18 Aussie Champion Morgan McDonald. At the 2012 race McDonald won as a 16 year old and beat a 17 year old kid who had run 8:08. In the same 2012 race was McSewyn who just ran 13:19.

No, no, no. "Who just ran" is correct, because it just happened in the last two weeks-July 2017. He hadn't "just run" 13:19 during the events described, which occurred in 2012.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

How did mother nature derail his season?

PSU Outdoor Track has been notoriously windy from it's birth. I was there the 1st time it hosted the Outdoor Big 10's. It will take years for trees to grow to help with that.

"Rolling thunder pouring rain

coming on like a hurricane

lightning flashing across the sky

I thought I was gonna die."

Morgan McDonald after Big 10 5k race.

The Meet was shown on the Big 10 Network. It was obviously very windy which is not surprising to any one who has ever been there and easily predictable. The broadcast team commented on the wind throughout the meet coverage. I believe this was the 3rd time this facility has hosted the meet with the same problem.

At least no one is saying that he must be on drugs or cheating. What a positive forum? Where is he from again?

Morgan was just getting his outdoor season underway due to injury I think and ran into a couple of unfortunate circumstances at the end. Weather was a factor in his Big Tens race. The other part was he just sort of ran out of time to get in a quality meet to ensure a qualifier. A lot of us at home couldn't believe it either.

I personally see no reason for him to remain a collegiate runner at this moment in time as much as that hurts the badgers. He has the attention of sponsors and now is as good of a time as any to take an offer and go.

Or. Something running fans seem to dismiss is that conference is way more important to the school than NCAA championships.(unless you are competing for a Team title,,, not an individual title). So he probably had McDonald run before he was ready to because it was conference. He was keep from racing early not because of NCAA, but because he might get reinjured before conference and that would cost them points.