I understand where you're coming from, but I don't consider her to be a hero at all. She cheated.
I understand where you're coming from, but I don't consider her to be a hero at all. She cheated.
Yeh, huge props for sitting on a lie for 31 years and then basically waiting until no one cares before admitting to drug use.
Btw, her actual progression was:
1982: 66.58m
1983: 67.20m
1984: 71.22m
rojo wrote:
Mega props must go out to 1984 Olympic champ Ria Stalman for being honest.
Are you serious?
I am Dutch, I saw the tv show where she admitted her used of doping, and it was horrible. She basicly said she admtted it just because 'people would stop nagging her about it'. She lacks any self reflection and blames it all on everything but herself ('everybody used doping back then', bla blah).
Nothing noble about this, she's not sorry about it at all.
I do hope the IAAF and the KNAU (the Dutch athletics federation) take her medals from her.
I agree with giving her mega props for being honest, but she is not a hero. She is admitting she cheated. Honesty is admirable. Cheating is not. Add the two together and it still doesn't equal a hero.
It may be that the top 10, or top 20, or top 50 throwers in 1984 were doping, but she and the other dopers still cheated the first clean thrower out of a medal. Not to mention the clean athletes who quit the sport because they couldn't compete with dopers.
Freudian slip: rojo calls her a "hero" instead of "heroine" (which he would have brospelled "heroin")
Ok, I'm changing the title of the thread as I didn't know the context of her confession. The thread title was initially, "Hero of the week: Dutch Olympic discus champion Ria Stalman admits she used steroids prior to 1984 gold."
But I do think confessing is a lot better than not. How many people are honest about what they did in the 1970s or 1980s?
For example, over the years, I've heard some chatter about Bruce Jenner being on drugs in 1976. Everyone praises Caitlyn being honest with herself. I'd like to see Jenner be honest with the sport.
Mega props must go out to 1984 Olympic champ Ria Stalman for being honest.http://zeenews.india.com/sports/others/former-olympic-discus-champion-ria-stalman-admits-doping_1843182.html
Stalman said:
"I wanted to go to the Olympics," she added. "As an insignificant Dutch thrower I visited Eastern Europe a couple of times. My personal record was 56 metres.
"During the warmup you see all those `refrigerators` walking around and they kicked my ass with 15 metres difference. So I thought `what can I do to beat them at the Olympics?`, said Stalman.
"If you can`t beat them, join them. That`s what I did."
I 100% hope the IOC doesn't strip her of gold without using this as an opportunity to have a lasting impact. Think about how many people were roided up at the time (although one think working against her in the court of public opinion is the fact that East Germany boycotted 1984. I'd rather be for the IAAF and IOC realizing that it's a good time to think about maybe wiping the women's records clean and just starting anew.
Hell maybe on the men's side as well. Wipe all records off the books in 2020 and to be eligible for a WR you have to agree to 20 out of competition tests.
Think steroids don't work?
Here are her pbs by year:
1982: 58.48
1983: 63.76
1984: 71.22 NR
Not a direct parallel, but kinda reminds me when people get off drugs and want a bunch of credit. "I got off drugs! I'm so brave!" No, dipshit, you should've never been on drugs in the first place.
rojo wrote:
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For example, over the years, I've heard some chatter about Bruce Jenner being on drugs in 1976. Everyone praises Caitlyn being honest with herself. I'd like to see Jenner be honest with the sport.
Maybe Jenner has been completely honest with the sport.
Which top tier pro athlete can you honestly say you have not "heard chatter about ... being on drugs"? And which World Record holder/Olympic gold medallist?
wipe the wr times,
a joke when iaaf has'nt even mentioned chronic igf-1 lr3 use
at moment. 200m dutch girl not far off
aduck2002 wrote:
wipe the wr times,
a joke when iaaf has'nt even mentioned chronic igf-1 lr3 use
at moment. 200m dutch girl not far off
I will not bet my life on anyone being clean, but that being said I do honestly think Dahne Schippers is clean. Being Dutch myself and a runner I ofcourse follow the news about her, and apart from that I know and speak a lot of people in the running community. As the saying goes, 'where there's smoke, there's fire', and with Daphne there is no smoke. There's no gossip, no red flags from the people in her surroundings of any kind.
Sure, there's people who find her progression suspect, but that's just that. Her sometimes bad skin and big jaw are also mentioned ofcourse, but one look at her parents and sibblings clearly shows that runs in the family.
Apart from that she seems to be the quite typical Dutch no-nonsens big woman kind of type, who echew 'fratsen' (no translation for that that I can think of) like doping.
By the way, just watch her, you'll soon call her '100 AND 200m dutch girl' ;-)
rojo wrote:
Wipe all records off the books in 2020 and to be eligible for a WR you have to agree to 20 out of competition tests.
Better to have records that athletes know they have to dope to beat. Drug testing is so faulty that wiping the records will just set of a new drug race.
Yeah I think she is clean, some Irish chick on twitter who think EVERYONE dopes gave the following two reasons for her doping.
1. She has acne (bit of a stretch)
2. She ran big PB's (well duh she went from running 7 different events to doing just one, also she's 23)
wtfunny wrote:
Maybe Jenner has been completely honest with the sport.
Which top tier pro athlete can you honestly say you have not "heard chatter about ... being on drugs"? And which World Record holder/Olympic gold medallist?
Let's see. Ashton Eaton pops up without thinking about it.
Meb. Ben True. Lots.
I'd still like to know the list of names that TAC covered up doping positives for prior to the 1984 games. Lots of dopers in LA.
Steriods for discus? Why would a person needs steroids to write about things on a forum?
NO surprise at all. All the Games after Rome have probably had a few dopers.
No way Rojo, the next thing you'll be telling me is that there are lesbians in women's tennis. I can't believe this!!
This is one of the dumbest things ever said on here. In other words, just dope up all you want, get your gold medal, admit that you doped, and then you get to keep the medal??? No, you strip the medals from all dopers, and you give those who admit it a pat on the back as you kick them out of the sport. This reminds me of the idiocy of this site frequently commending Dwain Chambers, after he cheated for years and then enjoyed the money and the subsequent proven bumps in performance from past roiding.
Agreed. And how about the dozens of positives that were supposed to be published by the IAAF before World's last year?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I'd still like to know the list of names that TAC covered up doping positives for prior to the 1984 games. Lots of dopers in LA.
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