Leo the Lion doesn't have the IAAF standard for Worlds but it doesn't matter - He'll still go if he's top 3 at USAs

Here are lists, that take into account the complete qualifying period (including indoors) and also area champions and Diamond League winners

http://toplist.leichtathletik-mehrkampf.de/

if I'm grasping your analysis of the 1500 list(including indoorers) and rules the first 3 at Nats will go as long as they are faster than about 3:38 ? Since Jager is #1 USA and I far as I can see he will be steepling not 1500ing Ben Blank moves up to the third USAer USATF will offer up to IAAF as their selected 1500 team with Corey Leslie (with a sub 3:36.20 real Worlds Q)next in line to replace, in order, Ben Blank then Merbs and then Heath should he finish ahead of any of them at Nats. Then Matt jr is next in line {but this is subject to where they place his 3:51.20 mile [3:40.1x converted using standard chart) on the descending list} or the higher finisher at Nats who finishes ahead of the guys listed above. Following those are any as yet not mentioned USAers (say Leo duh Lion) who finish higher that any of the above mentioned runners and run as a best quess under 3:38

Right?

I think the USA has to submit its entry to list to the IAAF by 10 Aug. Is that correct? So when will they place the cut-off for Q chasing? I guess they need a couple of days to do the paper work.

how could a 3:51 mile be converted to 3:40 1500m?

Why is Iguider still listed as the world leader in the 1500? The race he ran in was less than 1500 meters. They started from the wrong starting line!! In fact everyone from that race should have their times erased.

Thank you for catching my error that should say convert to 3;34.0x

As usual, you have some important things wrong. He NEEDS 3:36.20, but he has until August 10 to get that. He won't have any problem getting that once in Europe: Just go to Monaco and hang on for the ride, as when he ran 3:30.

!-Started-from-wrong-line!

This is all I get when I look for the official ruling on that question.

Do you know if Dean from the UK submitted a query and got an answer.

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coach d wrote:

As usual, you have some important things wrong. He NEEDS 3:36.20, but he has until August 10 to get that. He won't have any problem getting that once in Europe: Just go to Monaco and hang on for the ride, as when he ran 3:30.

According to as long as the three names that USATF submits to IAAF as their 1500 entries are all in the first 48 on the performers list they get IAAF approval.

Saying same thing to clear as mud your logic about USA taking the sub 3:36.20 guys is wrong. The top three at Nats get on the list USATF submits it does not matter if the have the published Q or not just that the qualify by being on the descending order list If you look at it as the qualifying time changes at the end of the IAAF window and becomes the 48th time on the performer list edited for 3 per nation plus the wild cards its understandable. The guys from the USA that are higher on the list but not top 3 at Nats get edited off as well as any name not submitted by the various NOC from the other nations.

OK that's still muddy_-

Lets try

The fasted 48 on the list of athletes submitted for the 1500 by the various nations will make up the starting line up at Worlds.

WiT wrote:

The fasted 48 on the list of athletes submitted for the 1500 by the various nations will make up the starting line up at Worlds.

Exactly. USATF is going to send three guys no matter what, and will do everything in its power to make sure it's the top three guys from USAs. The only scenario in which the guy who finishes fourth goes to Worlds (outside of injury) is if one of the top three has run so slowly -- like 3:40s -- as to be outside the global top 48 on that list (which would only include the top three Americans from USAs). There's no way that happens -- anyone who makes the team is going to be able to run at least 3:37 between now and August 9.

Thanks Jonathan Gault

How many rounds- perhaps three trial heats of 16 each- pick first four + 4 shortest times ?

slafja;lsjfaslk wrote:

Why is Iguider still listed as the world leader in the 1500? The race he ran in was less than 1500 meters. They started from the wrong starting line!! In fact everyone from that race should have their times erased.

As others have already said, they didn't start from the wrong line. There were officials there and the IAAF has had the results up on the world lists for 2 weeks or so now.

Take a look at this video of Monaco 1500m from last year:

Start the video around 1:56 and you'll see they also first stand at a line 10 metres or so behind the actual, then jog up to the second line at the start.

Not sure how one guy's conspiracies have gotten spread around so far, as if it's common knowledge the race was short.

Props to Jager for being #2 on the 1500 list and #4 Steeple.

Not so thrilled to see Leo and Centro on the 800 but not the 1500 - kind of says they're training for the traditional "sit and kick" 1500. Also predicts a very weak trio for the US in the 800.

alanson wrote:

Not so thrilled to see Leo and Centro on the 800 but not the 1500 - kind of says they're training for the traditional "sit and kick" 1500.

What should they be training for, in your opinion?

Stop the crazy kenyan wrote:

Here are lists, that take into account the complete qualifying period (including indoors) and also area champions and Diamond League winners

http://toplist.leichtathletik-mehrkampf.de/

Thank You very much for all the work you did on this. A great tool.

TapeMeasure wrote:

slafja;lsjfaslk wrote:

Why is Iguider still listed as the world leader in the 1500? The race he ran in was less than 1500 meters. They started from the wrong starting line!! In fact everyone from that race should have their times erased.

As others have already said, they didn't start from the wrong line. There were officials there and the IAAF has had the results up on the world lists for 2 weeks or so now.

Take a look at this video of Monaco 1500m from last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc2GSBUZEMk

Start the video around 1:56 and you'll see they also first stand at a line 10 metres or so behind the actual, then jog up to the second line at the start.

Not sure how one guy's conspiracies have gotten spread around so far, as if it's common knowledge the race was short.

Have you watched the video of the Marseille race??

They start out standing behind the correct line (29 secs). You can clearly see that waterfall line intersects the 300m starting line in lane one. Also in this shot you can see the start of the 4x100 exchange zone in lane two about 5 meters behind the athletes and the lane two 300m start line about 5 meters in front of them. You can aslo clearly see the lane 3 4x100 exchange start directly behind the athletes and the lane 4 4x100 exchange start just in front of the waterfall line. They then are walked forward the the next waterfall line (47 secs). This waterfall line intersects the 300m start line in lane 3. The lane 6 4x100 exchange start is visible just in front of the start line. The lane 5 4x100 exchange start is visible behind the athletes as they stand on the line. The lane 2 300m start line is clearly visible behind the athletes as well. Then if you can find the correct frame (roughly 0.60 into the race) you can see the athlete in lane one with the start line right behind him and the lane one 4x100 exchange end line directly in front of him. The 4x100 exchange end line should be 10 meters after the start line. You can clearly see here that it is only about 2 meters in front of the line.

Now if you look at the Monaco 2014 video that you posted. When the athletes are lined up on the start line (2:01-2:04 into the video) you can see the lane 4 4x100 exchange start line in front of the start line and the lane 3 4x100 exchange start line behind the athletes (just like the first waterfall in the Marseille video).

It is clear that the Marseille race started from the incorrect line and resulted in a race that was roughly 8 meters short.

Rojo (and/or jonathon), as the third poster pointed out, Merber is NOT the us leader, though you have him listed as such in your preview. I understand that maybe this preview was made prior to Jager's ridiculous 1500, but should still be corrected, at the very least to "has the fastest time by a US 1500m runner (though steepler Evan Jager currently holds the fastest US time)" or something to that effect. in case you don't check this thread, I will start a new thread and hopefully you see it. otherwise, thanks for the nice analysis.