Centro 1:44 800 is a mistake. Wrong direction.

You have this knowledge but fail to understand all races 800 and up are now sit and kick affairs. Hence the need for SPEED for the final 400 or so. This is a great sign for a championship race come August. Watch out.

no absolute as Canova suggests

Canova downplays speed to set up big meet success

WORKOUTS ARE NOT RACES

Webb blew up overtraining stamina side then Salazar destroyed him

Lagat was 144 capable minimum

Renato would agree wrote:

Wonder what kind of effect his new 800 PB is going to have on his 1500

Closing a 1500 is not about 800 ability.

As a poster said above, this thinking is all wrong.

Going and doing 800 training to improve 1500 ability, including kicking, is all wrong.

A big 800 improvement while neglecting endurance (like Webb did getting to 1:43) is actually a bad sign for a miler.

Better off doing a Canova-style mixed intervals like this one that Stephen Cherono did:

5 x 400m in 58" rec. 1 min - (rec. 5'/6')

1 x 1600m in 64" per lap (4'16") - (rec. 5'/6')

5 x 300m in 42" rec. 1 min - (rec. 5'/6')

1 x 1200m in 64" per lap (3'12") - (rec. 5'/6')

5 x 200m in 26" rec. 2 min

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Centro's fine. How do you think worlds are gonna play out? It's gonna cook from 800m out, which is why Centro trying to tune up and get some speed. His last 100m looked awesome.

1. No matter what Centro does, it seems he cannot win with letsrun crowd.

2. Have you guys heard of Seb Coe?

Salazar sauce is a helluva drug.

Webb didn't neglect endurance to get to 1:43. In 2006, he ran 27:34 10k, beating Ritz early at Stanford. Then he was injured and had a long base period. The endurance gained from 2006 did not go away and was the key to his Wunderjahre in 2007. He ran 3:46.91 and then 1:43.84 from that base, speed added. He got slightly injured in the 800m, however, and that, plus a cold, scotched his World Championships. In future years he probably did not recognize that the 10000m training had been so important and he over-emphasized the speed side and notably never ran a good 800m again.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Going and doing 800 training to improve 1500 ability, including kicking, is all wrong.

Why would anyone assume that they are neglecting endurance? Surely AlSal has him "walking and chewing gum at the same time".

Yeah. he should have done like Willis and run a 3:30 something 5K. That would set him up nicely for a fast 1500 later in the summer.

Webb had his best year when he ran 1:43 high.

Running 1:44 seemed to help Manzano.

Running 1:43 low seemed to be good for Kiprop.

Running 1:42 was good for Cram and Elliot.

Running 1:41 bode well for Coe.

Even Holman ran 1:44, helping his confidence in the 1500.

Centro running 1:44 may not mean he was training for the 800.

Maybe he is just strong and sharp and 1:44 was the result.

This is good.

Skuj wrote:

Have you guys heard of Seb Coe?

Coe was a true 800/1500 runner with blazing 400 speed.

Centrowitz is obviously a strength-based 1500 runner (repeat top-10 NCAA XC) with little 400 speed.

The OP is right. He is chasing the Webb trap right now.

Skuj wrote:

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Going and doing 800 training to improve 1500 ability, including kicking, is all wrong.

Why would anyone assume that they are neglecting endurance? Surely AlSal has him "walking and chewing gum at the same time".

Because Webb.

I heard Centrowitz ran a 46 point relay leg on the 4x4.

boygenius wrote:

Yeah. he should have done like Willis and run a 3:30 something 5K. That would set him up nicely for a fast 1500 later in the summer.

If you want to bet on Centrowitz over Willis at 2015 worlds, you go right ahead.

I'll pull this thread in August to laugh at you.

Star wrote:

Webb had his best year when he ran 1:43 high.

Running 1:44 seemed to help Manzano.

Running 1:43 low seemed to be good for Kiprop.

Running 1:42 was good for Cram and Elliot.

Running 1:41 bode well for Coe.

Even Holman ran 1:44, helping his confidence in the 1500.

Centro running 1:44 may not mean he was training for the 800.

Maybe he is just strong and sharp and 1:44 was the result.

This is good.

Everyone you mentioned with the exception of Asbel Kiprop (being world junior XC champ) are more 800/1500 runners or pure 1500.

Manzano was horrible at any distance above 1500

Strength based 1500 specialist

El G. 12:50 5k

Lagat 12:5x

Jenny Simpson !

Centro being so good at XC and running 13:20 last year definitely strength oriented 1500m runner.

look at Willis running sub 3:30 last year, he's doing more 5ks now then 800's plus his 800 or is only 1:45xx

It will just be interesting to see how this new direction (and yes it is because Salazar mentioned it last year that he wanted to focus more on speed for centro) works out.

Why would anyone see Centro's 13:20 as "proof he is a strength guy"? He hated it, AND, he just ran 1:44.

Star wrote:

Running 1:44 seemed to help Manzano.

Running 1:43 low seemed to be good for Kiprop.

Running 1:42 was good for Cram and Elliot.

Running 1:41 bode well for Coe.

Even Holman ran 1:44, helping his confidence in the 1500.

What a dumb post. You are completely missing the point. These are all true 800/1500 runners, which Centro is not. He is a 13:20 guy and a repeat top-10 at NCAA XC.

When these guys go too far from their strength the inevitable result is not good. The fact Webb went backward the further he got from XC and long track is all about this.

Even Kiprop still trains for and races XC every year.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

Centrowitz is obviously a strength-based 1500 runner (repeat top-10 NCAA XC) with little 400 speed.

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Repeating your statement doesn't make it more correct. A place is meaningless. What was his actual time in that NCAA XC race?

As I type this, I just saw your name and realized that this is just some troll attempt.

But what is so great about 13:20? And why do we assume he is "getting away from endurance" just because he is racing (and improving) at 800m?

Coe was 3000m/XC early on. I guess he should have stayed there.