to a personal best 10k the same way Asbel Kiprop dragged him to PB 1500 M
to a personal best 10k the same way Asbel Kiprop dragged him to PB 1500 M
I agree - which is why I suggested in an earlier thread that the winning time would be under 26:30 and that Mo would not lead before the final two laps. Really looking forward to what should be a crazy race.
there's no way this race goes under 26:30
no way
Does anyone know if the 10k will be televised and if not, where I can stream it? I really hope it gets televised but I really hope NBC doesnt screw it up and cut away for most of it like they have done before in 5k races.
absolutely , I can't wait for friday ..it should be exiting race
PREdictions wrote:
Mo would not lead before the final two laps.
That's a really BOLD prediction there... are you sure about that?
There you go good Sir
NBC will broadcast Sat but friday will be streamed live for free
Bad Wigins wrote:
PREdictions wrote:Mo would not lead before the final two laps.
That's a really BOLD prediction there... are you sure about that?
Farah led the last 3 laps the last time he ran the 10k at Pre. Waiting until the last 2 would be unprecidented.
He sure did
tony the tiger wrote:
to a personal best 10k the same way Asbel Kiprop dragged him to PB 1500 M
You're saying Geoffrey will beat Mo?
I hope I'm wrong but I'm fulling expecting 26:10 at the bell with the usual 52-54 finish.
It's just been so long of the same precedent of people talking like they will do something with aggressive pacing then not actually acting on it. Probably even worse now that people have seen Mo being beaten in a kickers race.
Keeping fingers crossed Geoffrey is different...but not expecting it.
i've seen posted, that pace offered is a rubbish 26'40 to 5k
geoffrey is in wr breaking shape
you can't run 26'15 off 13'20 split, requiring a 12'55 2nd 1/2 !!!
i wish organisers woud be more ambitious & put in some top kenyan 5k guy to pace them thru in 13'10 at worst & preferably nearer 13'05
eugene has chance of a medal distance men's distance wr, which they may not have had since...???
( & they are throwing away the opportunity !!! )
canova has said 26'30 is a rubbish time :http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=6513326&thread=6501203#6513326
I'm very close the evaluation of Ventolin (also if a little bit more... humble about performances of Marathon runners !).
In my opinion, 26'30" is not a very strong time I had athletes, of sure less talented than the best Marathon runners of today, and NOT fast (for example, Albert Chepkurui, in Qatar Ahmed Hassan Abdullah, who ran 12'56" and 26'38" with a real, personal value in 1500m of 3'42", something possible for Wilson Kipsang and Kimetto too, of course with two months of training including some specific workout of speed endurance, or John Korir, 5th in OG 2000 in Sydney when only 19y, able running 26'52" with a PB in 5000m of 13'09"), who ran at a speed today considered almost ecceptional.
I don't want to speak about Nicholas Kemboi, who, in my opinion, was one of the most talented athletes I saw in my life. He was able to move from 28'19" to 26'30" when we had the opportunity to work together in St. Moritz for two following months in 2003, and of sure in two months he could not achieve his best, but after that period had to face several problems, and never was able to run according his talent.
When Ventolin continue to remember the 10000m of Samuel Wanjiru in Bruxelles 2005, immediately behind Kenenisa (passage in 13'10"), we need also remember that, after 5 km, the small leading Group included Nicholas too, who was no more able to run at good speed after 7 km, but in any case finished in 26'51".
If I consider Nicholas' approach to this race, you can understand why, for me, 26'30" is not a great time :
Nicholas was in the best shape of his life before WCh 2005 in Helsinki. He did all the preparation together with Moses Mosop, but was clearly stronger as speed and specific speed endurance, and at the same level as long endurance (we went two times for long run, over 30 km, and they ran 1:33 without specific preparation for Marathon).
Since Moses won bronze medal in Helsinki, running the fastest last lap in the competition (faster than Kenenisa and Sileshi Sihine, but did the mistake to be 5th at the bell, and had to overtake Zersenay Tadese and Boniface Kiprop, wasting time), I can suppose in 2005 also Kenenisa could have had problems to win the race.
But with 4 laps to go Nicholas was spiked, and finished the race limping, almost jogging, in 27'16" (9th position). Immediately after the race, he had 16 Staples, because the injury was very wide, and went to involve, fortunately in very little part, his Achille's tendon too.
The doctor of WCh put the leg of Nicholas inside a plastic for 15 days, for not using his feet, and he walked using crouches.
Immediately at the end of the Championships, we went back St. Moritz with all the Qatar Team. Exactly 12 days after the race, Nicholas, still with the plastic in his leg, told me he wanted to run Brussels because didn't want to waste all the training we did before. I refused, because the risk was too big.
The next day, Nicholas came to me without plastic : he went for himself to a doctor (not the doctor of Qatari Team) for removing plastic ant Staples, and started to walk, telling me : "You see, I can walk, and in two days I can try running". At the end of everything, he went for 40' jogging, and I told him : "I want to be sure you can run, Tomorrow we need to try some 1000m on track with training shoes, for controlling the reaction".
Next days (Brussels was on 26th August, on Friday, and we speak about Tuesday...), he started with 3'07", then 3'03", and at the end ran 12 times 1000m with the last in 2'42". I can't refuse again to put him in the race, but I advised him : "Kenenisa goes for the WR, and want a passage of 13'10". There is the rabbit for the second Group going in 13'28", please, go with the second Group, your approach for this race doesn't allow you to run so fast" and he answered "Be tranquil, I stay with the second Group".
Instead....
The fact this times seems very tough today, is because the event is no more frequented at high level, and there are no more competitions.Another athlete at 26'30" was Abebe Dinkessa, who of sure was not more talented of Geoffrey Mutai and Wilson Kipsang.
About the Geoffrey of 2011 (Boston or NY is the same), I think he could really run very close 26'30", the same with Moses Mosop
When, at the end of June, we had in Boston the race of 10 km (road), and Geoffrey won with 27'19" after the first 5 km in 14'02", running the second 5 km in 13'17" and the last 3 km in 7'51". Of sure, the Geoffrey 2011 was able running like Abebe Dinkessa !
ventolin^3 wrote:
i've seen posted, that pace offered is a rubbish 26'40 to 5k
geoffrey is in wr breaking shape
you can't run 26'15 off 13'20 split, requiring a 12'55 2nd 1/2 !!!
i wish organisers woud be more ambitious & put in some top kenyan 5k guy to pace them thru in 13'10 at worst & preferably nearer 13'05
eugene has chance of a medal distance men's distance wr, which they may not have had since...???
( & they are throwing away the opportunity !!! )
Give me a break, go out in 13:05? With the recent trend in Diamond league races, I doubt even a 5k field would go with the rabbit at that pace
ventolin^3 wrote:
canova has said 26'30 is a rubbish time:
I'm very close the evaluation of Ventolin (also if a little bit more... humble about performances of Marathon runners !).
In my opinion, 26'30" is not a very strong time I had athletes, of sure less talented than the best Marathon runners of today, and NOT fast (for example, Albert Chepkurui, in Qatar Ahmed Hassan Abdullah, who ran 12'56" and 26'38" with a real, personal value in 1500m of 3'42", something possible for Wilson Kipsang and Kimetto too, of course with two months of training including some specific workout of speed endurance, or John Korir, 5th in OG 2000 in Sydney when only 19y, able running 26'52" with a PB in 5000m of 13'09"), who ran at a speed today considered almost ecceptional.
I was thinking this morning, while driving to work, that the 10,000m scene has really under performed in the last 5-10 years, when compared to the fierce competition at the marathon. I realize they're different races and the marathon has a big pay day for everyone, but there is some crossover, as noted by Canova.
Two months ago he apparently wanted to go for it:
http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/news/geoffrey-kamworor-beijing-10000mConsequently, his potential at the longest major championship distance on the track is effectively untested but a big reduction in his personal best beckons in his next 10,000m race, with Kamworor looking to run much faster than 27 minutes.
He could but what i'm saying is whether in losing or winning effort Jeff will help Mo best his 10k time
geoffrey K, other than geoffrey of '11 new york, who was fastest intrinsic M i ever saw & geoffrey-'11 did it of pure M training
canova has to talk some c..r..a....
he coud/woud not post the geoffrey of '11 new york was in
26-flat/low
shape of just M training
( think :
at some M time/performance, it's inevitable you have intrinsic 26'30 speed :
2"02'00 ???)
mutai had likely lot better than 26'30 in new york '11, but coaches won't predict
he offered mutai a rubbish ~ 26'30, but he doesn't coach him or ever
try close to 26-flat
kamworo was capable of 26-low/flat coupla years ago when running 58'50+ off jog to 4k in arab 1/2M
if he doesn't try to crush farah into the ground from gun, then yes, it time to give up on track
this has to be acid test for track
if the quantum-leap better 10k guy can't crush mo, a likely 26'30/26'35 guy into the ground, then track needs....
ventolin^3 wrote:
kamworo was capable of 26-low/flat coupla years ago when running 58'50+ off jog to 4k in arab 1/2M
if he doesn't try to crush farah into the ground from gun, then yes, it time to give up on track
this has to be acid test for track
if the quantum-leap better 10k guy can't crush mo, a likely 26'30/26'35 guy into the ground, then track needs....
Well, slap my a$$ and call me silly, I actually agree with ventolin.
For me, it's not necessary that it be Kamworor, but SOMEBODY has to try a fast race against Farah.
...and here's an interesting prediction: If Farah is beaten in this race, I think he will become more likeable.
10k training is specific and much faster than mp, so kam is not ready for 26:20s. bekele ran 26:25 alone at pre years back. That was the last wr shot at distances there. If Kamworor or others are really that strong, they can take the pace themselves to 13:10 or better. But they aren't and won't. 26:30s for Farah is possible if Kamworor is nearly as strong as advertised and Farah hammers the last two laps.