We all know how fast Jim Ryun ran in high school for the mile. He never really ran the two mile in high school. As a college freshman, running his first serious 2 mile he beats Kip Keino, runs 8:25.2, and breaks the American Record. I bet that if Ryun had run the 2 mile in high school he would still have the record today.
No one care about high school record. No one care about sport of track and field. Get a life and study academics. NO ONE CARE ABOUT SPORT.
Take Ah's advice and quit sport. You will find that life is much better. Ahhhhhh...
In high school, I ran on a 2-mile cross country course where Ryun held the course record. I believe it was 9:08, set his junior or senior year.
Jeff Nelson, 8:36?? That is just unbelievable. I ran a couple of races against him when he was thinking of making a comeback (late 20's), and without even running a week and a little overweight, ran a 9:02. Everything that I ever heard about him was awesome. Just couldn't get it together in college (grades?). Too bad.
IMO, Lindgren's 8:40 indoor 2 mile on an 11 or 12 laps to the mile board track is far superior to Nelson's 8:36.
Jeff Nelson, Lindgren? I think these names are unheard of. Say name to common people and they say they never heard of them. Sport is worthless to most american citizens.
Take Ah advice and quit the sport. Perhaps you find time doing better things find the good life.
A year or so ago, Ritz and Webb could have had a good go of it! Anything under 8:50 indoor or outdoor, is usually some high school kid on his way to "Burnout City!"
An 8:36 = 8:40 ??? I don't get that? I think Nelson did it at the Pepsi Meet with some open studs and finished 5th or 6th. How did Lindgren do it?
Ah says Ritz and Webb go nowhere. Even if successful at Olympic trials no one care. They never compete against Kenyan except in cold weather.
Ah says Ritz and Webb are perfect example of going nowhere in sport. They should have stayed home and studied.
Ritz has tons of wealthy girls seeking his affection--and Webb makes 250 grand a year. Webb and Ritz are in runners heaven already. So, you are wrong Ah.
I bet you have a tiny Penis, you seem very insecure about everthing, just deal with it freind.
jp
ryun did run the 2mile more than you think, golden west invitational he did a double, a low 4 and ~9:02/4.
quick lesson:
indoor high school record for the mile:
thom hunt runs 4:02.7 for the high school national indoor record in open competition, at i believe sunkist. Matt Centrowitz, the (fat man) who could run, ran 3:43.0, 4:02.7y, 14:17 in high school. people suspected hunt he would go on to break 4:00 outdoors, no dice.
two mile record:
on boards, lindgren, 8:40.0. indoors.
two mile outdoors:
8:36.3, nelson. went on to run for oregon for a semester, two stress fractures, community college, quit. remarkable talent.
jon zishka, 13:56 in high school for the 5k on the track. also holds the sunken meadow 3 mile record for high schoolers on long island in 14:57, where john gregorek holds the 5k record in 15:32.3. Consider Gregorek ran 8:50.7 for two miles, 4:05 for the mile winnning golden west, and 8:56 for the steeple in high school, and was an 8:19 steepler by sophomore year for the boycotted 80 olympic year where he was world ranked.
back in the "day" it wasn't uncommon for guys to go 8:40 in the duece at noon and come back and run 4:08 at 1:30 at an invite after a hot dog in the middle. Putting ritz and webb in a two mile showdown in high school would have heeded nothing more impressive than those doubles. its just the way things go.
Lindgren's 8:40.04 indoor was in a losing effort to Ron Clarke. Gerry led much of the race before Clarke won in 8:36, which was a WR or close to it. The outdoor record at the time was 8:29 by Jazy. Lindgren ran 8:06 for 3000m enroute, the indoor WR was 7:58.
If you competed on an ~11 lap/mile indoor board track, you would understand why Lindgren's 8:40 is a superior effort to Nelson's 8:36 outdoors.
Often the indoor facilities would be smokey...no smoking bans at sporting events in the sixties.
ed gee wrote:
Often the indoor facilities would be smokey...no smoking bans at sporting events in the sixties.
Ah, yes. I remember that. Seattle had a nice indoor invitational once. I remember looking across the Coliseum toward the Marlboro ad on the scoreboard and seeing a blue haze nestled up against the ceiling. The folks in the cheap seats suffered even more than the athletes, I think. Brilliant.
Lindgren and Ryun actually raced each other in an indoor 2 mile. I think this was after high school(at least for Ryun?). Lindgren was the winner. Check out the article by Kenny Moore in SI a few years back. "Mystery Man" I believe the article was called.
Ah(sshole) How exactly is cold going to allow Ritz and Webb to be more successful against Kenyans? Your average American has no better cold weather adaptations than an African really. Check out the '86 WCC (in Switzerland I believe). It was snowing like a bitch and cold. The pictures show the Ethiopians and Kenyans sweating(and winning). Boston wasn't much better when Ngugi won his last title. Give yourself a little shake and see if you can't get your brain to roll back into position for rational thought.
Lindgren and Ryun race indoors in early 1964, with Lindgren winning and Ryun dropping out. Lindgren ran 9:00, followed soon with an 8:46 and the previoulsy mentoined 8:40.0.
The HS record was 9:20 prior to Ryun/Lindgren meeting!
Don't forget that Alan Webb ran 8:45 indoors for the 2 mile run I believe in maryland against Brennen.
I believe if he would have ran the 2 mile run outdoors and really ran for time that he could have run under 8:40.
If we could only be so fortunate as to not be reminded about the one hit wonder Webb.
Ryun was just lucky he didn't have to contend with the Joepheezy kick, like the rest of Northwest LA!!!