best hs track team every ran mostly distancs
best hs track team every ran mostly distancs
What?
Wow your drinking too?
While it's true that Hammond (IN) High School did not have a track, and that a majority of its two-milers' very large training volume under Coach Dan Candiano was distance running, it's also true that
1) much of that distance running was at fast paces, and
2) the volume of quality work that they did was larger than the total training mileage of many high school runners today.
From How They Train:
Morning training: Run 60 to 70 minutes continuously, starting at 6:00 AM daily throughout the year.... This continuous run is at a reasonably fast pace on streets and roads. The pace is increased once each mile of the run for a distance of about 440y.
The following are evening workouts, in addition to the above daily morning training.
FALL AND WINTER TRAINING (1975-76)
Monday—PM, 3 x 3 miles. Jog 1/2 mile after each.
Tuesday—PM, 4 x 2 miles. Jog 3/4 mile after each.
Wednesday—PM, 75 minutes continuous fast run on roads.
Thursday—PM, Fast, continuous runs of 3-miles, 2 1/4-miles, 1 1/2-miles, and 3/4 mile. Jog 3/4 mile recovery after each.
Friday—PM, 7 1/2 miles time trial.
Saturday—PM, 60 minutes fast road run.
Sunday—AM, 90 minutes road run. PM, Rest.
SPRING AND SUMMER TRAINING
Monday—PM, 6 x 3/4 mile fast runs. Jog 3/4 mile after each.
Tuesday—PM, 10 x 440y as fast as possible under the circumstances. Jog 88Oy recovery after each.
Wednesday—PM, 75 minutes continuous fast run.
Thursday—PM, 8 x 880y at as fast pace as possible under the circumstances. Jog 44Oy after each.
Friday—PM, 7 1/2 miles time trial.
Saturday—PM, 60 minutes fast continuous run.
Sunday—PM, 90 minutes continuous run.
BTW, it's not clear that that was the "best hs track team." I don't believe Hammond was ever a contender for state track and field titles (could be wrong there); and even with three guys who broke nine minutes for two miles the following spring, its cross-country team did not win States: the front three finished 1-2-5, but the rest of the team was so beaten up from the training that they finished a long way back. Does that qualify as a "best" team?
holy crap that training is ridiculous
bigtool05 wrote:
holy crap that training is ridiculous
By my quick calculations, that Fall/Winter training is somewhere around 135-140 miles per week. Damn.
and therefore made up. No way those kids were running that sort of mileage. Even pros couldn't handle that training load, much less some high schoolers.Unless you change the definition of fast continuous run, that is fiction.I would bet that Northport doesn't run more than 80 mpw.
The Stache wrote:
bigtool05 wrote:holy crap that training is ridiculous
By my quick calculations, that Fall/Winter training is somewhere around 135-140 miles per week. Damn.
hey wrote:
and therefore made up. No way those kids were running that sort of mileage. Even pros couldn't handle that training load, much less some high schoolers.
Unless you change the definition of fast continuous run, that is fiction.
I would bet that Northport doesn't run more than 80 mpw.
The Stache wrote:By my quick calculations, that Fall/Winter training is somewhere around 135-140 miles per week. Damn.
Not made up, the number of kids training big miles back in the early 70's was astounding. Heck, the number of average guys with jobs running over 100 mpw was crazy. Different world.
hey wrote:
and therefore made up. No way those kids were running that sort of mileage. Even pros couldn't handle that training load, much less some high schoolers.
Unless you change the definition of fast continuous run, that is fiction.
I would bet that Northport doesn't run more than 80 mpw.
The Stache wrote:By my quick calculations, that Fall/Winter training is somewhere around 135-140 miles per week. Damn.
Oh, yes they were. And so were a number of others of that vintage.
mass hole... wrote:
hey wrote:and therefore made up. No way those kids were running that sort of mileage. Even pros couldn't handle that training load, much less some high schoolers.
Unless you change the definition of fast continuous run, that is fiction.
I would bet that Northport doesn't run more than 80 mpw.
Not made up, the number of kids training big miles back in the early 70's was astounding. Heck, the number of average guys with jobs running over 100 mpw was crazy. Different world.
I still don't believe it. That training is insane and if someone has done it, it would have taken them many years to build up to that level otherwise they would be sick, injured, burned out, or all the above.
Emaciated Hobby Jogger wrote:
mass hole... wrote:Not made up, the number of kids training big miles back in the early 70's was astounding. Heck, the number of average guys with jobs running over 100 mpw was crazy. Different world.
I still don't believe it. That training is insane and if someone has done it, it would have taken them many years to build up to that level otherwise they would be sick, injured, burned out, or all the above.
Oh fer chrissakes. Rudy Chapa ran 28:32 in HS, a minute off the World Record at the time. That's like some kid today running sub 28:00. So believe what you will, you're an uninformed idiot.
Ed Smallwood wrote:
Oh fer chrissakes. Rudy Chapa ran 28:32 in HS, a minute off the World Record at the time. That's like some kid today running sub 28:00. So believe what you will, you're an uninformed idiot.
Wrong, ever hear of Jeff Nelson, 140 per week, how bout Eric Hulst? Better yet, remember that Lindgren guy, lot's of kids doing crazy miles along time ago, long before you were born.
I know Pinkowski, I've trained with him, and have even been to his childhood home in Hammond. I've never heard him say anything about mileage like that.
mass hole... wrote:
Ed Smallwood wrote:Oh fer chrissakes. Rudy Chapa ran 28:32 in HS, a minute off the World Record at the time. That's like some kid today running sub 28:00. So believe what you will, you're an uninformed idiot.
Wrong, ever hear of Jeff Nelson, 140 per week, how bout Eric Hulst? Better yet, remember that Lindgren guy, lot's of kids doing crazy miles along time ago, long before you were born.
You're wrong. Lots of kids weren't doing crazy miles like that. Very few were. An extremely small percentage. Even 100 mpw was rare, although most of us knew people who flirted with that threshhold.
His coach could simply have been like mine, writing out what looks good to him on paper, especially a lot of fast paced days where normal athletes run recovery, and the athletes have been like my team, where we take some "fast run" days the day after a murderous workout as recovery/easy paced days and just dont tell coach.
If my coach wrote a book, our training plan would look just as ridiculous, and I can guarantee that's not how our team trains.
Not that we slack off, but I can't recover at 5:40 pace for 12 miles the day after a 6 mile tempo.
I bet they ran at least 100 a week. Those "ole timers" ran a lot of miles. Except that Lindgren guy, he was a low mileage guy
malmo wrote:
I know Pinkowski, I've trained with him, and have even been to his childhood home in Hammond. I've never heard him say anything about mileage like that.
What has he said regarding his high school training?
coopertastic wrote:
malmo wrote:I know Pinkowski, I've trained with him, and have even been to his childhood home in Hammond. I've never heard him say anything about mileage like that.
What has he said regarding his high school training?
He hasn't said anything that I recall. Reciting Rudy Ray Moore was a higher priority than what we did in high school. When I trained with him he was pretty much an 80 to 90mpw type.
hey wrote:
and therefore made up. No way those kids were running that sort of mileage.
That's Chapa's training in his senior year. From the little I know (and have heard) about Chapa, I can believe it.
Now, I remember reading a quote from one of those three--maybe Chapa himself--to the effect that, when Coach Candiano (who was not yet 30 years old) was not standing over them, they would sometimes dog their distance runs and even walk for a while.
But I'd bet that didn't happen a whole lot. Their training was (mostly) based in a park whose perimeter path was 3/4 mile. (Hence so many workouts that seem to involve variations on 3/4-mile reps, or 3/4 mile for run-and-rest.) He was standing over them on those.
And he also was with them for the morning training, which by itself was more miles (~60, not counting Sunday) than most high school guys do now.
By the way, Chapa's 28:32 for 10,000 was 3 x 3200m @ 9:08 w/ 0 recovery.
Plus a lap.