Why aren't people trashing Turinesh Dibaba?

because she's a qt3.14

[quote]Why aren't people trashing Turinesh Dibaba?

Because no one knows who you're talking about, my deer.

Your welcome, because that's what champions do.

What are you talking about? This has little to do with Salazar.

In comparing the two races, I think the difference is simple.

1) Dibaba went with the lead pack and was just :14 seconds back at the finish. She only lost contact with the leading duo when she stopped to pick up a water bottle.She rallied late.

That's totally different than Farah's race. He was 45 seconds back at 10k. When a 'crazy' (we actually thought it was smart) strategy fails like that, people are going to second guess it - Mo did so himself.

2) Why aren't they talking about Dibaba? In the world as a whole, men's sports are WAY more popular than women's. There were two undfeated teams playing each other in the women's final four and i barely heard a peep about it.

Also Dibaba isn't from GBR or UK so even if she was male, it wouldn't be as big of a deal as Farah.

This has next to nothing to do with Salazar other than the fact that since Mo is coached by Salazar and lives in the US, he is followed by American fans.

But who is ripping Mo? I was very impressed by his post-race comments about why he ran London and why he's definitely not giving up on the marathon.

3) In all sports, fans - which remember is short for fanatic - there is overreaction.

^^^

End of thread.

rojo wrote:

This has next to nothing to do with Salazar .

LOL!

rojo is something else.

This sort of reminds me of the comment made by the NYC socialite who was incredulous about Nixon's victory in 1968, "I can't believe this, I don't know anyone who voted for him."

Tiru finished a close third against two of the best all-time women in her debut. Her career is directly paralleling Bekele's. She has a legit shot at Paula's unpaced world best.

Because she doesn't exist. The person you are likely referring to is Tirunesh

Like I'm the first one to misspell the name of an East African runner here. The average Letsrun visitor can't even write three complete sentences in a row without making at least five significant errors. Maybe that's why the dicks in this thread are being dicks -- on a hair trigger.

Dibaba was further from the WR than Mo was and way more off the CR.

Huh? Maybe because the two debuts couldn't be more opposite.

Dibaba had a great debut, ran a great race, and 2:20 is a great time for women. She went out with the leaders, and only lost contact when she dropped her bottle, creating a gap she never managed to close, but didn't really grow either. She was 15 seconds away from winning.

Farah was 4 minutes away from winning, and never really a factor. Compare Farah's London debut, for example, with Ryan Hall, who wanted the pacemakers to pick it up. Ryan Hall was never a threat in top marathons, and Farah is not as good as Ryan Hall.

Farah didn't achieve any of his stated goals, falling about 1 minute short of the UK record.

In my opinion, Farah had a great debut, personally, if you think he's closer to a miler than a marathon runner. I'd be surprised if he ever beats Ryan Hall's London times, or even gets the UK record.

Paula's WR is an anomaly so it is slightly unfair to compare Dibaba's debut to the WR. In women's marathoning, 2:20 is still a major milestone, and Dibaba managed to come very close to this time, finishing with the third fastest woman's debut time ever. Overall I would say she had a very successful race, despite the bottle incident.

Emma Chure wrote:

Like I'm the first one to misspell the name of an East African runner here. The average Letsrun visitor can't even write three complete sentences in a row without making at least five significant errors. Maybe that's why the dicks in this thread are being dicks -- on a hair trigger.

Dibaba was further from the WR than Mo was and way more off the CR.

Did Dibaba say it was her goal to run the wr or the cr? Was she over hyped by the press? Did she insult and compare herself to the greatest distance runner of all time? Did she back pedal on her initial goals and then not even reach them?

And yet I don't see TD getting close to Radcliffe's 2h15. I simply don't think that she will get the work done to get to that level. Radcliffe's performances were from an obsessed athlete constantly getting outkicked in championship races whose psychological motivation lead her to train as no woman has ever done (even JBS, and her training was fierce in her era). TD is a huge talent, but not sure that is enough to get her to Radcliffe's level. But as long as 2h19-20 will win women's races, she will be a factor in future races - inexperience cost her today and she will learn from that for the next time. 2h17 is still possible if enough women are ready to push in the same race, TD will not do it solo - she is a racer not really a time-trialer.

Farah is also a racer, and that was evident today - being alone (even off the back of the pacers) for so much of the race showed that he can't deal with that scenario. In hindsight, obviously (as mentioned) a mistake to not try and go out with the leaders. Would it have mattered? I think too much time on his own was too hard for him and probably cost a minute or more. Will he do the work to run a really fast marathon? Doubtful in my mind as he has yet to show that he can (as has Bekele) run a fast last 5k in a 10k, mostly solo chasing records. That is what is missing in his "arsenal", it certainly isn't speed. It is one thing to sit on people and outkick them in the last couple of laps in a 5/10k, quite another to push the pace with many miles to go. Can that be learned? Certainly, but I don't think that is part of his psychological makeup, nor is it for T.Dibaba really, and she has a better history of it than does Farah.

uiniu wrote:

Did Dibaba say it was her goal to run the wr or the cr? Was she over hyped by the press? Did she insult and compare herself to the greatest distance runner of all time? Did she back pedal on her initial goals and then not even reach them?

THIS!

Wasn't Radcliffe's WR set with male pacers, pacing her to the line? Which isn't allowed anymore. I don't think anyone is going to come close to that with the current rules.

I'm sure if Paula has some un-paced PR, that could be broken by the current best runners on a good day. Maybe Jeptoo could do it?

Did Farah insult anyone? He may have and I simply missed it, but that seems out of character for him. I know he was over-hyped but that's out of his hands. People had a good reason to expect greatness from him but in all honesty I don't see him ever running much under 2:06:00, if at all, and it doesn't take a genius prognosticator to offer that.

I admit I was trolling a bit here because I knew that this would generate some thoughtful replies along with the superficial insults, which it did. Dibaba ran okay, but based on her track times (and she's more of a 5K/10K type than Farah, obviously), she might have been expected to simply run away from the others at 25K to 30K.

Couldn't have put it any better myself! Well said!

Emma Chure wrote:

Like I'm the first one to misspell the name of an East African runner here. The average Letsrun visitor can't even write three complete sentences in a row without making at least five significant errors. Maybe that's why the dicks in this thread are being dicks -- on a hair trigger.

Dibaba was further from the WR than Mo was and way more off the CR.

oooOOOoooh! A bit sensitive, there. PMS?