Any other year, Barrett would be considered a very big deal. One of the best of all time. This year she is only the third or fourth fastest HSer...
Any other year, Barrett would be considered a very big deal. One of the best of all time. This year she is only the third or fourth fastest HSer...
Great race!
F 5,000 Meter Run - Finals
Place Overall Athlete Team Result
Heat
1 1 Barrett, Tessa Abington Heights 16:11.85 2
2 2 Jenks, Stephanie Linn-Mar High School 16:37.50 2
3 3 Howlett, Claire Westhill High School 16:58.35 2
4 4 Doggett, Mary Grace Cardinal Gibbons 17:01.75 2
5 5 Frazier, Ryen Ravenscroft School 17:02.17 2
6 6 Lawson, Jessica Corning 17:08.45 2
7 7 Barry, Mackenzie Mendham HS 17:12.78 2
8 8 Montgomery, Kayla Mount Tabor 17:16.82 2
9 9 Flynn, Anna Ursuline School 17:43.38 2
10 10 Anderson, Lily T.C. Roberson 17:45.61 2
Yvtvygvgyvgy wrote:
Any other year, Barrett would be considered a very big deal. One of the best of all time. This year she is only the third or fourth fastest HSer...
You are aware of the fact that was a new national record right?
Here is a recap of day 1 from Chris Lotsbom:
http://www.armorytrack.com/gprofile.php?do=news&act=search&mgroup_id=45586&news_id=231913&year=2014&mgroup_event_id=1164I changed the title of this thread to reflect the national record.
The fact that this is a national record has no bearing on what he said.
He's saying she can break a National Record and still only be considered 3rd or 4th behind -- Baxter, Alexa, Cranny, and even Cain if you want to count her.
Similar to Wes Frazier last year.
Okay, how about this:
Tessa Barret's time was faster--nearly ten seconds faster--than Abbey D'Agostino's at the NCAA championships. And Tessa had to run it entirely solo.
Time trial vs. tactical?
caesarsghost wrote:
Okay, how about this:
Tessa Barret's time was faster--nearly ten seconds faster--than Abbey D'Agostino's at the NCAA championships. And Tessa had to run it entirely solo.
I'd be interested to see how fast Efraimson and Cranny would run a 5000m on the track. It's hard for me to think that they would run much faster than 16:11, but people just so rarely run the 5K on the track in HS that I'd give a lot more weight to a US All-Time Top Ten time in the 1600 - 3200 than I would to the 5K. Still damn impressive though.
how about this:
Alexa beat Abbey head-to-head in the fall.
You do know that the reason why Tessa ran faster than Abbey is *because* she ran solo a time trial, right? Had she been in the NCAA Championships, she most likely would've run a tactical race.
16:11 is insanely impressive, but the Op's point still stands to me.
I'd take a 9:00.1 3k over 16:11.
This is probably a "record" for the least interest ever on LetsRun for an athlete who breaks a HS record by 7 seconds.
Mary Cain's non-qualifying professional high school marks will overshadow girls track for decades.
google works well wrote:
The fact that this is a national record has no bearing on what he said.
He's saying she can break a National Record and still only be considered 3rd or 4th behind -- Baxter, Alexa, Cranny, and even Cain if you want to count her.
Similar to Wes Frazier last year.
Barrett set the national record of 16:11. Baxter, Efraimson, and Cranny did not.
Baxter's 3200 meter PR is 10:06.74 which converts to about 10:10.5 for 2 miles. Barrett hit 2 miles in 10:15 (after opening in 5:03.4 for the mile) which is only 4.5 seconds off Baxter's PR and then Barrett ran another 2000 meters to set her 5K record. Baxter goes behind Barrett on my list at 5K.
Cranny's 3200 meter PR is way slower than what Barrett just did. Cranny can probably do better at 2 miles on the track, but she never has. Until she does, I see no reason to think she can beat Barrett at 5K.
Efraimson's 3000 meter record is more impressive than Barrett's 5K mark. But running an extra 2000 meters is not easy. Give credit to Barrett because she actually did something others have yet to do.
v6 wrote:
I'd be interested to see how fast Efraimson and Cranny would run a 5000m on the track. It's hard for me to think that they would run much faster than 16:11, but people just so rarely run the 5K on the track in HS that I'd give a lot more weight to a US All-Time Top Ten time in the 1600 - 3200 than I would to the 5K. Still damn impressive though.
Both are probably better in XC than Cain;
Efraimson's 3k is faster than Cain's 3k, and about on par with her 2 mile
So... since Cain ran 15:45, I'd say Efraimson and Cranny would probably be 15:50 or faster.
Kudos to Barrett for setting a new indoor 5k HSR. As the other poster said, most years she'd be getting much more praise, but this year she's probably the fourth best (ok, maybe third if Baxter doesn't do something in track). All three of those others looked better in cross, and all but Baxter already have better track PRs than Barrett.
The biggest thing to take away from this performance: Barrett is now #8 All-Time for HS at 5k (combined indoors/outdoors list). Would be nice to see a Barret vs. Baxter showdown at 5k, or if not then 3k/3200m/2Mile, somewhere. I doubt she'll face Efraimson or Cranny (who are focused on the mile) anywhere this year.
One opinion wrote:
Cranny's 3200 meter PR is way slower than what Barrett just did. Cranny can probably do better at 2 miles on the track, but she never has. Until she does, I see no reason to think she can beat Barrett at 5K.
Efraimson's 3000 meter record is more impressive than Barrett's 5K mark. But running an extra 2000 meters is not easy. Give credit to Barrett because she actually did something others have yet to do.
You must have missed when both of them beat Sarah Baxter at 5000 xc.
Starting the Finish wrote:
Mary Cain's non-qualifying professional high school marks will overshadow girls track for decades.
Correct!
The WORLD age group record for 17 year-old for 5k will far overshadow Cain's U.S. NR for decades. Only 45 seconds short, and 25 seconds short of the age 16 WR. T. Dibaba.
Hit it on the head!! wrote:
Starting the Finish wrote:Mary Cain's non-qualifying professional high school marks will overshadow girls track for decades.
Correct!
google works well wrote:
head-to-head in the fall.
You do know that the reason why Tessa ran faster than Abbey is *because* she ran solo a time trial, right?
She actually ran a tactical race. Since the other girls were so much slower, her tactic was to run faster and win by a huge margin. She could easily use that same tactic in a college race. It would be up to the other runners to try to run faster.
watchout wrote:
v6 wrote:I'd be interested to see how fast Efraimson and Cranny would run a 5000m on the track. It's hard for me to think that they would run much faster than 16:11, but people just so rarely run the 5K on the track in HS that I'd give a lot more weight to a US All-Time Top Ten time in the 1600 - 3200 than I would to the 5K. Still damn impressive though.
Both are probably better in XC than Cain;
Efraimson's 3k is faster than Cain's 3k, and about on par with her 2 mile.
So... since Cain ran 15:45, I'd say Efraimson and Cranny would probably be 15:50 or faster......
Why do you think Efraimson and Cranny are better at XC than Mary Cain?
Mary Cain beat both of them at NXN 2012 where Cain was 13 seconds faster than Efraimson and 22 seconds faster than Cranny, and that was in awful mud which is bad for Cain. Cain would have blown both away on the frozen course at this year's NXN (and Barrett if she was there).
Hopefully Cain, Efraimson, Cranny, Baxter and Barrett race each other at a high level for 10-15 more years.
Baxter first 2014 outdoor meet she ran 5:09/10:39 for 1600 and 3200. Baxter has only improved her 3200 time 7.5 seconds since her freshman year. Her 1600 PR is only 4:49.
Barrett seems far ahead of Baxter this year. That would be a good race though.
google works well wrote:
Alexa beat Abbey head-to-head in the fall.
Wait … Did I miss something?! As far as I know, Alexa never beat Abbey head-to-head in the fall (or any other time). She did beat Emma Bates though and that is still pretty d*mn impressive.
Between Baxter, Barrett, Cranny, Cain, Efraimson you can only hope that the group will pan out better than the boys class of 2001 in terms of head to head battles over the long term (obv this class has had success but outside a few marathons between Ritz and Hall, they haven't raced as a unified force).
Obviously Barrett and Baxter will move up in college while the other three will stay closer to 800-3k, but between a shorter women's XC race to keep them all (minus Cain) competitive with each other in the fall and some big time track races I hope to see these girls during it out at NCAAs, USAs, and beyond for many years.