Bummed about treadmill analysis

Galen Rupp runs in the Zoom Structure, the Nike equivalent of the Guide. When you surpass him, you can worry that they're too slow for you.

Stability just means the shoe has measures to prevent your ankle from flexing side to side. Side-to-side flexing is an important function of your foot. It's especially important if you do any running on the side of a hill, or TURNING. A person wearing shoes (all of which have raised platforms) will tend to turn their foot into the hill because of the compromised lateral instability.

The problem with running shoe culture is the assumption that if there is a problem, you can/should fix it with shoes. Most people who work in the shoe industry have this mindset, so you will never get another opinion from that crowd.

I will offer you an alternative viewpoint, which is that your body is not flawed and you don't need a shoe to fix it. You just need to pay more attention to the way you run, and how that makes you feel, rather than try to ignore it and cover it up.

oh yeah so I forgot to say I am not advocating that everyone throw away their shoes and do all their running barefoot. Although that's what I did basically, I would not expect people to do that. But it is reasonable that you could do 5% of your miles barefoot.

The advantage to that is that you can directly feel and hear what you're doing when you run. The feedback is much more direct. It takes a lot of guessing out of the loop.

Johnfromuk wrote:

Well I'm 16 and just started running after the cycling off season started for me 2.5 weeks ago. I had bad knee pain on the outside of my knee in kinvara 3. Went to treadmill analysis to get new shoes.

They said I was a heel striker and I landed on the outside and my ankle rolled inwards. The worker said a decent amount of over pronation. I'm now in Saucony guide 6 stability shoes. This makes me feel slow to be honest as most people with stability shoes seems to be 250 pounds vs my 135.

Should I try to change to a forefoot/midfoot stride?

Run is stability shoes, which seem to be for more non competitive people?

Or try a different neutral shoe then the saucony?

35-40 miles a week is what I'm doing just starting. Planning to build to 70-80-90.

There is no way anyone would know, simply by watching you on a treadmill, if the shoes are making your knees hurt. Maybe your knee hurts because you just started training again. Maybe the cycling started the issue. Maybe you have weak hips. Additionally, there is little to no evidence that pronation-controlling shoes actually do anything.

Find a shoe you think is comfortable, get a foam roller, and find exercises that strengthen your hips.

Don't get a foam roller - they're shit and I got more injuries when using one which cleared up when I threw the stupid thing away. When tissue is inflamed, pummeling it with a hard piece of foam isn't a good idea.

watford gap wrote:

Don't get a foam roller - they're shit and I got more injuries when using one which cleared up when I threw the stupid thing away. When tissue is inflamed, pummeling it with a hard piece of foam isn't a good idea.

Well, that's your fault for rolling on inflamed tissue. Who on earth told you to do that? If you don't have enough common sense to know how to use a foam roller, maybe you shouldn't comment about them.

Seriously OP, get a foam roller. Ask around - good runners and programs use them.

To the dismay of the RSS folks here, the number of people who can do this at a running store is small. It is far more complex. I have been running and took grad level biomech classes and learned enough to know what I do not know

Just get the Kinvara 4 or find a pair of the 2s. I found that the 3s were horrific, but absolutely love the older and newer model.

Ankle joint inversion is not the same thing as pronation and is a foolish way to measure it. Pronation is when the bones of the foot flatten to absorb shock and store energy for takeoff. Overinversion may or may not coincide with overpronation.

the letter why wrote:

Just get the Kinvara 4 or find a pair of the 2s. I found that the 3s were horrific, but absolutely love the older and newer model.

That's awesome to hear. I've gone through 10 pair of 2s, and have 5 in my rotation. I love them. I bought two pair of 3s and hate them (only tried 1 pair). I have to force myself to run in them and they get the least use in my rotation.

I've been hesitant to try a pair of 4s, I keep going to the outlet and buying pairs of 2s.

Just run normal. All this pronation stuff is a myth. Its just a way to sell shoes, like the 500 miles, time for a new pair thing. Your body will correct its stride naturally as you get used to running. I used to be a "severe overpronator" until I decided to give minimalism a try, put my heavy, clunky overpronation shoes in the closet and did some jogging in a pair of racing flats. I found that I was fine and running even felt a lot better. No one had pronation and stability control shoes for most of human history and everyone ran just fine.