Day2 #moscow2013: recap by coach Canova

criticizes Hasay for over-racing, referring to it as "problems with the College"

In our post-race talk with Hasay, she acknowledged she has run 6 10ks this year which is a lot as she knew Dibaba has run only 11 in her career. As a result, she may not run one next year. So she realizes it's a lot.

That being said, I am a big skeptic of the "College kids race too much" argument. Hasay ran the best race of her life in 4th 10k of the year in Des Moines. At that point, she's got to run another one or she's not going. What did Canova want her to do - not run the "B" standard after that?

Plus Hasay's first 10k was a tempo run.

What did Andrew Wheating do at the end of a long season back in 2010 was it? PR at 3:30 in what I think was at least his 30th race of the year. What did he do in his 22nd race of the year? PB in the 800.

You can read our post-race analysis here:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/08/tirunesh-dibaba-remains-undefeated-for-her-life-at-10000-wins-5th-global-10000-title/

Hasay didn't run that bad. She was roughy 30 seconds off her pb which is closer to her pb than Dibaba and many others were. Take a look at their pbs here

http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-championships/14th-iaaf-world-championships-4873/results/women/10000-metres/final/startlist#resultheader

It was like high 70s in the temps and she tried to run with the lead pack at a pace she couldn't sustain if perfect conditions. Thus she died a little bit.

No biggie. People expect more of her because she's a name and in Alberto's group.

I am most impressed with Hitomi Niiya, who made the race all the way, reminiscent of Carlos Lopes in Montreal. Thank goodness, thanks to her and Shalane Flanagan, the women's 10000m was much more interesting and exciting than the men's, as Niiya ran everyone out except the 4 who were able to stay with her.

In comparison, almost everyone was still in the men's race at the bell.

Niiya was emotional at the finish, perhaps a combination of running so well and being so far left behind from the kick. However I expected her to be 5th with more than 6 laps to go, thanks to her excellent running.

Hasay ran very well, 12th and quite close to her best. Of course she is racing differently now out of college, but I think six 10ks in a year is not too much and is good.

Flanagan made the mistake of wearing knee high socks, which were way too much in the heat, similar to wearing a wool hat and gloves.

nacho cheese wrote:

criticizes Hasay for over-racing, referring to it as "problems with the College"

Canova again proving he's an idiot. Hasay was never a lock for worlds. How many people thought she'd be here? Hasay didn't qualify for NCAA's at 10k, I doubt she was thinking about worlds at that point. Hasay ran the race of her life at USA's to give herself a shot at qualifying which then required her to run again to try and get the time. Her plans changed after she made the team. What was she supposed to do? You make do and make new plans. Shalane is different since she cold pretty much bank on it the whole season.

Then there's the fact her first 10k was a jog. Her second 10k was a hard effort but not all out. I believe their goal was to run the B standard and nothing more.

Also her 32:17 today..is arguably better than all her other races everything considered, pace, weather, etc. It's not like she bonked. 12th at worlds when more than half of Letsrun was saying she was done 2-3 months ago. Not too shabby.

Maybe if she had some of the good drugs that the Kenyans do that don't help them she could have planned better. They should stop being selfish and give us their illegal performance enhancing drugs since they are useless on them.

I think you really don't fail any occasion for showing who is the real idiot.

I didn't criticize Jordan Hasay. I pointed the fact her approach to WCh was not the right "technical" approach, and I think nobody can say it was.

This is a fact.

Different thing (this valid also for answering to Rojo) is to understand the reasons of her behavior.

Probably, if I had an athlete in the same situation, I should try the same solution : one more competition for the limit, because at the beginning of a career the participation to WCh can be a very important experience.

However, if I have to look at a correct way for preparing a race of 10000m in WCh, I have to explain that the "global" approach is totally wrong, because doesn't allow any athlete to do his/her best in the most important competition.

But you are an idiot when you continue to speak about African doping. You clearly don't know anything about Africans, but want to speak. And you are not able to understand what you see, probably because your knowledge about any physical activity is the same of the bear of Hannah and Barbera in the Yellowstone Park.

Only looking at the technical action of Tirunesh Dibaba, foe example, every normal person understand she has a different talent from ALL THE OTHER ATHLETES IN THE FIELD.

Look how the best African use their feet, the reactive elasticity they have, the ability in changing speed very quickly. This has nothing to do with any doping, but with specific talent, depending in part on genetic qualities, in part on the natural activity they do on hilly and devastated roads when are very young.

There is still something you cant build, at the base of every performance : it's called TALENT.

And only idiots like you don't see the different of talent between the athletes, thinking Bolt has to dope for beating athletes naturally weaker, or the top African for beating the most part of current runners in the World.

In every Country sometimes some natural phenomenon can born, not only in Africa. Today, you don't have a Jim Ryun, for example, and in the sprint events a Bob Hayes or a Jim Hines. In all the World there is not another Edwin Moses, and there is not a Carl Lewis, and there is not a Sergey Bubka.

The real problem for middle distances is in Africa everybody tries, because they know can change their life if able running fast (and also athletes of medium international class can earn very much more money than with the activity they can do at home), while in our "civilized" Countries you start athletics only because you have passion, but this doesn't change your life (under economic point of view) if you are not a real Champion.

For example, a lot of Americans go to compete in the European meetings during summer, without any appearance, paying their tickets, looking for a new experience of life, only trying to better their PB, happy to have accomodation for free for a period of about one month - 45 days.

But you can't see any African staying long time in Europe or paying themselves the ticket, if there is no a competition with money prizes or appearance, because for them this is a "job", while for our Countries is a passion till when we are not able to reach a professional level.

But your explanation is always "doping". Every day there is some athlete from US, European, or Caribbean charged for doping, and the most part are in sprinting events.

Never there is some top African caught for doping, and when you want to demonstrate something that doesn't exist always you speak about Mathew Kisorio, Lance Armstrong (without understanding the situations are completely different) and some small fish, cheated by not honest doctors or guilty for ignorance.

You don't understand that your position is the real limit to the evolution of our young people. Continuing to think only for doping you can run fast, you can only reach to goals looking at the athletes with talent :

1) They don't want to dope, so lose motivation and stop athletics when still very young

2) They go to dope, thinking this is the only way for being competitive.

So, at the end, you destroy the passion and the dreams of many young runners, or push them to take something illegal in order to try to be competitive.

And this when the reality is different : YOU CAN BE COMPETITIVE AT YOUR BEST WITHOUT TAKING ANYTHING ILLEGAL.

Exactly like my African athletes did, in spite of what you idiot suppose.

I agree with Renato that this long season with a lot of tough races took its toll on Hasay. She knows that 6 10ks in this short of time is excessive but it is what she had to do to get there. With her training now geared towards peaking at championships and a few more years of experience it will be interesting to see how far Hasay can go.

Mrr82 wrote:

Maybe if she had some of the good drugs that the Kenyans do that don't help them she could have planned better. They should stop being selfish and give us their illegal performance enhancing drugs since they are useless on them.

I feel really sorry for you poor Americans. The Kenyans are so scientifically and technologically advanced that they can get those good drugs, while Americans in desperate need of these PEDs are dependent on pity from Kenyans (who are selfish though, as you said).

Exactly, and the action of Wang Junxia was much better than Dibaba.

This is the problem, that the greed for money by the drug believers contaminates the attitude for running the best and not needing anything but talent, simple living and hard training.

Renato, do you have any recommendations for working on the tendon elasticity in the lower legs?