I say somewhere between 10.5 to 11
Thoughts?
I say somewhere between 10.5 to 11
Thoughts?
9.95
The fast guys go about 10.8h to 11.3h and the skilled good hands guys can make do with 11.0h to 11.6h.
WiT wrote:
The fast guys go about 10.8h to 11.3h and the skilled good hands guys can make do with 11.0h to 11.6h.
That's false. They're faster than that. Niles Paul, a TE converted from WR, ran 10.8X in high school.
Trindon Holliday ran a 10.07 for crying out loud.
WiT wrote:
The fast guys go about 10.8h to 11.3h and the skilled good hands guys can make do with 11.0h to 11.6h.
Not this ^
Fastest WR's probably 10.4-10.6, skilled guys with "great hands" I'd put 10.9-11.1.
The DB's probably average 10.7-10.9
WiT wrote:
The fast guys go about 10.8h to 11.3h and the skilled good hands guys can make do with 11.0h to 11.6h.
yeah, that's way off. A running back at my high school runs 11.00 and he's not blazing fast on the field. I'm sure the average NFL wide receiver (who would probably be faster than the average NFL running back) would probably be in the 10.3-10.8 range with a little bit of technique training.
The first rule of sprinters/football players is that they think they are faster than they are, either because their coaches lie to them about their times, or the players themselves do. The number of NFL guys who say then could run 10:00 to 10:20 could fill a city bus and it's probably four or five guys, max. I would think 10:50 is pretty common and anyone slower than 11:00 would be pretty unusual.
Distance runner think of 100 meters as an all out sprint, but football players think a sprint is something like 30 or 40 meters, with 100 meters being far for them. Many NFL guys with blazing speed would be slowing down notably in the last 30 meters of a 100, being passed by no-name track guys. I would think all four guys in a top collegiate 4 X 100 relay would be faster at 100 meters than most NFL wide receivers.
NFL wide receivers run away from NFL safeties and linebackers, and often get caught by NFL cornerbacks. Legit sprinters would catch them and run away from them in a 100 meter race.
Denard Robinson ran a 10.44 in high school, so I certainly don't see this as out of a fast NFL receiver's range.
By their own accounts? Somewhere under 9.90
Furthermore, yes, 11.0 does seem slow, considering the number of people I knew in high school in that range. The only way they'd run a 100m slower than that is on bad reaction time.
And on the other hand, yes, I agree that claims of Olympic-caliber times are also untrue. I think 10.5-6 seems like a reasonable average for starting WRs in the NFL.
The number of NFL guys who USED TO BE 100/4X100 guys in the NCAA is large. Trindon Holiday isn't like to be anywhere close to 10.07 now unless he actually trained for it.
It's not just that football players would be slowing (more) in the last 30 (but remember also that it isn't meters, but yards, and 100 yards is actually only 91 meters), but world class 100 meter guys haven't even come close to their top end at 30-40 yards. But even in the first 40, some of the best sprinters have been timed in sub-4 for 40 (Ben, Mo, Gatlin among them), so even the starts wouldn't be close, and a guy like Gatlin (one of the fastest starters in the world) would KEEP PULLING AWAY.
HoF WR James Lofton ran 20.7 for the 200 in college. That's worth about a 10.2 - 10.3, although he was more an LJ type and maybe better at the 200. Very superior conditioning.
Lofton was also a 27 foot long jumper. He has said that he went into football instead of track because there was a young kid named Carl Lewis coming up who was pretty good at LJ.
RG3 ran the 110 HH in 13.5 and the 400H in 49.6, so he would probably be in the mid 10s for a flat 100m.
college kid wrote:
WiT wrote:The fast guys go about 10.8h to 11.3h and the skilled good hands guys can make do with 11.0h to 11.6h.
That's false. They're faster than that. Niles Paul, a TE converted from WR, ran 10.8X in high school.
Trindon Holliday ran a 10.07 for crying out loud.
and now they are not training as sprinters and piled on to much muscle they will have slowed down
D'Anthony Thomas and LaMichael James are not wide receivers but are considered very fast football players. Their pb's are in the 10.5 range. If a wide receiver is running in the 10.2 range, he's probably on the track team and football commentators refer to them as having "world class speed." Not too many of those around.
OP is asking for average and many posters point to the few fast outliers. There are 32 teams all have three and most list four or more deep on their WR charts.
After averaging 100-125 plus guys what you get will not be anywhere as fast as you guys predict. Really how many Trintons do we see per year? Sure the franchise WR goes 10.4 or better and maybe one or two teams have 3 guys who can scoot sub 11,or did when NCAA, but I really doubt the average WR is sub 11.
Other than light your tail and yell Hail Maria most of the plays are in a footprint less than 40 yards deep. Quickness off the snap and off change of direction are more valuable than raw 100 speed.
11.6? NFW
I'd say ~80% of NFL receivers can go sub-11, being conservative.
With the upper quartile being legit 10.6ish guys
Sure they've bulked up and people are talking about outliers like Holliday, but the truth is often the backups are often just as fast as the starters if not faster, with the starters being starters for their hands, routes, and run-after catch ability.
Yes explosion and quickness off the snap are important, obviously, but thats not saying these guys still arent insanely fast, deep speed is important to beat cornerbacks deep (who can ALL run sub-11, I guarantee you) and to make plays running the ball in the open field/returning kicks.
Alot of NFL guys were elite/great track guys in high school (or even college), and even though they've bulked up they've no doubt gotten faster in most instances after going through years of NCAA/pro training. Andre Johnson ran 10.5x in college at well over 220 pounds, Calvin Johnson runs a 4.35 40 at 230 pounds (yes I know a 40 isnt a 100 but a 4.3 speaks for itself obviously, no doubt he can go well under 11)
Considering hundreds of high schoolers go sub-11 each year are you seriously trying to tell me that a significant number of the USAs best overall athletes cant run a fast high school time?
What are you smoking WiT?
Including or excluding NE Patriot receivers?