Article on Lagat in the WSJ

~3000miles/year factoring in 7 rest weeks

I hope that all of my competition reads this so I will have a better chance of winning when it matters - in November!

Lagat uses two 10 week cycles followed competition, followed by rest. The max is 65, and the average is probably more like 55 during those cycles, and comp significantly less than that of course.

So it's really not 3000 mi/year, probably not a lot more than half that, but almost everything he runs is fast.

He says he maxes out at 65. So no, he is not doing the total you project.

dsrunner wrote:

~3000miles/year factoring in 7 rest weeks

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

He says he maxes out at 65. So no, he is not doing the total you project.

dsrunner wrote:

~3000miles/year factoring in 7 rest weeks

he also said on twitter that he runs 75 per week sometimes

who knows what he does

Or it's the EPO

EPO allows you to train very hard. Low mileage isn't an indication of EPO.

Azaleas wrote:

EPO allows you to train very hard. Low mileage isn't an indication of EPO.

i don't even know where to begin....

washed up kenyan f*ck. wheres centrowits at?

I don't think 4th in the Olympic 5000 is "washed up." As for Centrowitz, he's quoted in that article, too

someone had to do it wrote:

i don't even know where to begin....

Maybe you could begin by explaining yourself or pointing to other low mileage EPO cheats. Remember when people defended Lance because he worked so hard and spent so many hours on the bike, that he COULDN'T be cheating? Guess how he was able to do that.

Or just make a sarcastic comment and move on, because you don't know what you're talking about.

Hahah what about dem braces???? How about runnign abooot same pace he did 10 years ago? He's all doped up. Get yer head out of hte sand dirty ostrich.

Oh, I wasn't aware that EPO made your jaw grow. Thanks for the heads up, brother.

coach d wrote:

Lagat uses two 10 week cycles followed competition, followed by rest. The max is 65, and the average is probably more like 55 during those cycles, and comp significantly less than that of course.

So it's really not 3000 mi/year, probably not a lot more than half that, but almost everything he runs is fast.

Yeah, he doesn't count mileage over 5:30 pace. So in reality, he is doing more than the 60ish miles he reports.

Azaleas wrote:

Maybe you could begin by explaining yourself or pointing to other low mileage EPO cheats. Remember when people defended Lance because he worked so hard and spent so many hours on the bike, that he COULDN'T be cheating? Guess how he was able to do that.

Or just make a sarcastic comment and move on, because you don't know what you're talking about.

I made a comment and moved on because in my experience, people like you tend to resist logic and reason so I've made a habit of not engaging your kind, however in this instance I feel that your ignorance warrants a response.

I posted that comment for a few reasons. The first being that your post was simply wrong in multiple ways.

You made your post to refute the post of another individual claiming that Lagat used EPO. Your (incorrect) reasoning for this was that:

1) EPO allows an athlete to train harder.

2) Harder training is an indication of EPO use.

3) Low mileage is less hard than high mileage.

4) Lagat runs low mileage.

5) Therefore there is no indication, based on Lagat's training, that he has used EPO.

This is a faulty line of reasoning for a few reasons. One being that mileage says nothing about how "hard" someone is training. I can destroy someone on 150 miles per week just as easily as I can destroy someone on 50 miles per week. The difficulty of training is measured not just in quantity of training, but in quality of training as well.

Lagat being a low mileage runner (if you believe what he says) says nothing about how hard he trains. All it tells us is that he is a low mileage runner. It doesn't tell us how hard his training is or how easy his training is.

Therefore, without the details of Lagat's training you are not in a position to draw any conclusions and state whether he is likely to be using EPO based solely on that information.

Do you understand?

Wasn't there that article on the amateur cyclist who took HGH, steroids, and EPO to experiment, and everything was kind of blah for him except for the EPO. And his comment was that EPO allowed him to go hard and long and be able to do the same thing the next day or feel like you can that it was almost surreal. It does sound like Lagat's long extra rests and low mileage is the antithesis of that. The fact is no one knows, but this is a rather significant point that points toward non-epo use. If he did 150 mile weeks everything hard and he was telling everybody he's the hardest worker on earth, than that would point the opposite direction.

Does Lagat really "jog" 10 miles in 55 minutes?

3 weeks after a 5 week layoff and he can "jog" 10 miles in 55 minutes.

Lord I wish I had that talent.

magic EPO wrote:

Wasn't there that article on the amateur cyclist who took HGH, steroids, and EPO to experiment, and everything was kind of blah for him except for the EPO.

It all works together. Cyclists typically take all of the above + testosterone and then blood transfusions for in competition (when they test).

All I heard EPO has the biggest bang for the buck but there must be a reason why they take everything else, too.