Predict Ryan Hall's Chicago time based on his performance at Philly today.

2:07:24

He ran slow today but he's probably also right around the peak of his marathon training so he really shouldn't be racing too well at shorter distances. Ritz is in a similar boat and he didn't fair much better so I wouldn't worry about either of them.

2:06:47

marathon shape wrote:

He ran slow today but he's probably also right around the peak of his marathon training so he really shouldn't be racing too well at shorter distances. Ritz is in a similar boat and he didn't fair much better so I wouldn't worry about either of them.

that is what most on letsrun say if you are preparing for a marathon you wont be able to run a half marathon, so my question is if hall and ritz are okay after their performance's today should geb be worried he ran fast today?

as he is on about the same schedule as ritz.

2:06:17

i hate to say it, and i sincerely hope i'm wrong, but i'd say 2.09.xx.

2:08:24

2:10:56

douglas burke wrote:

that is what most on letsrun say if you are preparing for a marathon you wont be able to run a half marathon, so my question is if hall and ritz are okay after their performance's today should geb be worried he ran fast today?

as he is on about the same schedule as ritz.

Geb is a 2:03 marathoner and ran 59 minutes. Hall and Ritz are 2:06 and 2:10 marathoners and ran 62 and 63 minutes. Geb's run being better isn't a matter of him being more peaked, but just that he's that much better a runner than they are. If he'd challenged Tadesse's WR, then I might say you have a point. But what he ran is a fairly routine time for someone like him.

Hall is trying to run close to 2:05. Geb is trying to run close to 2:04 equivalent. 59:33 is significantly better than 63:55 in this regard.

I would love to hear Renato Canova's response on this thread....

He has said over and over again that a fast 1/2 a few weeks before a marathon is actually a bad sign.

Look back to Dos Santos...Ran a 59:XX one year and did horrible at New York...ran 1:02:XX and won the next year....

Optimistically I'm going with 2:06:47. Hopefully Ryan and his coach have it figured out.

Ryan Hall 2:03:59.5

Re-animated Rocky Statue: 1:59:00

SaImon wrote:

Hall is trying to run close to 2:05. Geb is trying to run close to 2:04 equivalent. 59:33 is significantly better than 63:55 in this regard.

but remember they are at different points in their training. Geb has 7 weeks until his race, so he could have rested and hit it hard for this race. Hall has only 3 weeks, so it's almost surprising that he raced this late and no doubt trained through...

The Dense Fog wrote:

2:07:24

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HAH! Add a few minutes to that. Big competition. Getting big bucks. No more hunger. 2:11. Same effort as he did in the Olympics.

Now we see why the marathoners from the 70's and 80's ran better, longer. They had to if they wanted to eat.

marathon shape wrote:

He ran slow today but he's probably also right around the peak of his marathon training so he really shouldn't be racing too well at shorter distances. Ritz is in a similar boat and he didn't fair much better so I wouldn't worry about either of them.

Does this same reasoning also apply to the women's race? Shalane Flanagan and Werknesh Kidane ran a PB and Kim Smith ran within half a minute of her PB. Does this mean these women can't run a decent fall marathon either?

I'm sure people would be questioning Shalane's fitness and Schumacher's coaching, if she had finished more than three minutes behind the Defar.

My guess on what Ryan will run, about 2:08:50.

Does this same reasoning also apply to the women's race? Shalane Flanagan and Werknesh Kidane ran a PB and Kim Smith ran within half a minute of her PB. Does this mean these women can't run a decent fall marathon either?

kidane did not run a PB, she has run 1:08.09

2:10

2:06:40