Who is the winner and why?
Who is the winner and why?
Jurek.
612 wrote:
Jurek.
With 6 months to train? That's ridiculous. It's Haile in a blow-out.
The real question is if Haile would even need any training to win this. I think Ultra guys are incredible... but Haile is just on a different planet from those guys talent wise.
I think Haile wins tomorrow.
Okay, maybe Haile isn't a good choice :) How about Ryan Hall?
Jurek would run and win Leadville.
Haile would run and win Western States.
People on Letsrun would proclaim that Haile is just ducking because he is afraid of getting beat and that while he was once a great runner he is now just a time trialer.
Curious...what's the most anywhere here as ever run? I've run 32 miles at once by sort of an accident. It was not overly fun..:) Seeing that 100 miles is 4 times farther than most distance runners, Haile included, have ever run it is going to be a task their muscles are simply not used to and simply are not going to get used to in the course of 6 months of training. ADD to that hills and elevation and with only 6 months of training I'd say DNF for Haile.
All of you 2:30 marathoners out there...go run a 100mile trail race in 6 months and tell me how you do and how many barely sub 3:00 dudes get you good.
Alan
Running hills properly is not a small concern. In 1996 Boston's downhills destroyed Tegla Loroupe as Uta Pippig passed her for the win.
I think Haile would finish but the chances are better than not that he would not win.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Curious...what's the most anywhere here as ever run? I've run 32 miles at once by sort of an accident. It was not overly fun..:) Seeing that 100 miles is 4 times farther than most distance runners, Haile included, have ever run it is going to be a task their muscles are simply not used to and simply are not going to get used to in the course of 6 months of training. ADD to that hills and elevation and with only 6 months of training I'd say DNF for Haile.
All of you 2:30 marathoners out there...go run a 100mile trail race in 6 months and tell me how you do and how many barely sub 3:00 dudes get you good.
Alan
Alan,
Got to tell you that training to run further than a marathon isn't really all that difficult...takes time and hope that you don't get injured while training...that's it. I've done two ultras, and basically all I did was train for a marathon and then just kept adding mileage after the marathon. Humans are MADE for distance running. I know a couple of runners who didn't run more than about 15 miles in training and then did a 12-hour run for charity and logged more than 70 miles. Sure they were sore afterwards.
100 miles is a LONG way, ESPECIALLY over hills, but Geb is arguably the best distance runner ever in the history of the world. Given 6 months to train (and maybe not even that long), he would DESTROY Jurek...the Jurek of today AND the Jurek who was in his prime. Just no comparison at all.
And I have MAD respect for ultramarathoners.
What is the pollen like on this 100 mile course? Will it rain during the course of the event? Where and how will Haile sleep the night before the race?
I've done four 100-milers and they all rocked my world. My longest solo training runs were about 40 miles. I understand that the demands between an ultra and the races that Haile does are different, but I think Haile would do pretty well.
Add $100,000 of prize money to any ultra event and you would never read Jurek's name again. Get serious.
Runningart2004 wrote:
All of you 2:30 marathoners out there...go run a 100mile trail race in 6 months and tell me how you do and how many barely sub 3:00 dudes get you good.
Alan
I agree,.........to an extent. Faster at a shorter distance doesn't always equate to longer distances or else Bolt would hold all records. However, since a marathon & 100 miler are both approximately 99% aerobic, we need a better representative sample. We need more great marathoners to run ultras to predict how they would fare. 6 months might be enough time for Haile to 'manage' such a long distance.
ska wrote:
I've done four 100-milers and they all rocked my world. My longest solo training runs were about 40 miles. I understand that the demands between an ultra and the races that Haile does are different, but I think Haile would do pretty well.
Yeah he would. It's all just about the training. A marathon is about 4 times longer than a 10k...do we tell world-class 10,000 meter runners that they can't even imagine what it would be like to run a marathon? No way!
We have had a previous example of a former world-class marathoner doing an ultra...Albert Salazar...and he WON the Comrades (about 56 miles) after several years of inactivity. Granted that's not 100 miles, but come on now.
Geb would KILL Jurek in 100 miles.
There are different systems in play in an ultra. Haile once bonked in a marathon because he had trouble keeping down water.
This is important in deciding whether Geb wins by one vs. three hours.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
What is the pollen like on this 100 mile course? Will it rain during the course of the event? Where and how will Haile sleep the night before the race?
chubb wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:All of you 2:30 marathoners out there...go run a 100mile trail race in 6 months and tell me how you do and how many barely sub 3:00 dudes get you good.
Alan
I agree,.........to an extent. Faster at a shorter distance doesn't always equate to longer distances or else Bolt would hold all records. However, since a marathon & 100 miler are both approximately 99% aerobic, we need a better representative sample. We need more great marathoners to run ultras to predict how they would fare. 6 months might be enough time for Haile to 'manage' such a long distance.
There is more to running than whether or not something is aerobic v anaerobic. A marathon and the Tour de France are both highly aerobic...but how did Lance do in the marathon.?
Muscles matter.
Alan
If it was 100 miles on roads, sure Geb would win. 100 miles on rough trails, scrambling, high altitude, Geb would get killed.
Actually, no, Geb would be way out front leading through about 60 miles and DNF.
Geb could run slightly slower than his marathon pace 50 miles or so, then walk the rest and still win
I know what you're trying to say, but unless they're going to be mountain biking 100 miles your example is kind of off target.
Here's the thing, I think the people that are saying "not so fast" have the right idea. There really are different demands in an ultra, and it's not that case that every single decent marathoner can move up and crush ultra fields. But Geb is kind of an outlier. He trains on rocky trails at altitude. I've seen 50k plus long runs on his schedules at something like 5:30 pace. At 8000 ft altitude.
The only thing that would swing this is if you picked a course that was more hiking than running. But that's the only way. If Geb lost at anything other than a mountain-climbing-hike-a-thon, it would be because he did something monumentally stupid, like run the first 20 miles at 5 minute pace.