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it would be more surprising if a big 10 school that has produced many greats going back to the 1930's with jesse owens didnt qualify anyone for at least the trials.

At 08 he coached 4 Trials participants with 3 making the finals. Two were steepechasers, so perhaps he wants to set a goal for him? Also, its a recruitingv release where all coaches make their recruits sound great (especially to those clueless administrators)

Anyone from Ohio knows that Ohio State and all their coaches think their poop doesn't stink. Lately Robert Gary has been improving the track team, but for the last decade they have gotten beat on a regular basis by Kent STate, Akron, Cincinnati, etc. The women's side they are getting beat by Kent sTae, Akron, Cincinnat, Miami, and sometimes Bowling green. But to hear all of them talk they rule the world. It is simply Big Ten arrogance. BTW - anyone notice how injured all the men's distance guys are? Hmmmm.

arrogant OSU Coach wrote:

I was on their website today and I saw that the coach announced their recruits. He says that one of them should qualify for the Olympic trials in 2012?!?!?!?!?! When do we start making predictions before they even get to college?!?!

Dude, don't be a turd.

The kid he is speaking of ran 15:12 5k in High School and 6:00 for the 2k steeple.

Keep in mind that the state of Ohio does not regularly have the steeple as an event. In fact, the steeple is rarely ran. So, to come out and run 6 min and get 3rd at nationals, I'd say he has some talent.

Lastly, Gary is one of the best steeple coaches in the Nation. You cannot beat the experience that he can give to a kid being one of the USA's best steeplers in the past couple decades and a 2x Olympian.

If anyone has the ability to take a kid and turn him into a Olympic Trails qualifier in the steeple it's Robert Gary.

Go Bucks!

No doubt those teams can compete with the grossly underperforming womens side of things, but not the men's.

In cross country, when was the last time those other schools made NCAA's? Answer? never. OSU qualifies a little more than every other year since Gary got there.

OSU missed 3rd by half a point indoors this year and was 3rd in all three sports (xc,indoors,outdoors)last year. What MAC team could've done that. The distance guys had a terrible conference meet, but even without Jeff See, they had a guy run 4:03 and 8:06. Olinger went 14:23. Ealy went 8:17 and 14:21 and just ran 14:09. 2 other half-milers went 4:10. Dan White ran 1:50. Leslie ran 4:07. Williams went 14:44 and some redshirting others went sub-15. Take a look at the performance lists; these marks will get beat up in the Big 10 for the most part, but they're MAC leaders. Please share some results where OSU got beat by these schools. The only competitions have included OSU beating Kent in a dual meet for two years and won the ALL-Ohio Track Championships as well the last 2 years.

Gary is having a tough time competing in the distance events in Big 10 while trying to have a balanced team. OSU has the same number of total scholarships and no indoor facility. Kent and Akron are underperforming! FYI, the OSU dominated the sprints at the conference indoor meet!

Who is it? Is it the kid from Medina?

cesunut wrote:

Who is it? Is it the kid from Medina?

Yes, Donny Roys from Medina, OH.

Gary isn't even the best steeple coach in Ohio!!! I put his old coach Lee Labaddie (sp?) at Akron, and his former teammate Mark Croghan at KSU ahead of him. He has gotten big talent off of OSU's name compared to those other two smaller schools. Give Labaddie or Croghan that talent and see what happens!!

What about P. Sovacool?? He runs for Miami, and that school is in the MAC conference??.. 13:56 last year.... enough said.

The Rising Force wrote:

Gary isn't even the best steeple coach in Ohio!!! I put his old coach Lee Labaddie (sp?) at Akron, and his former teammate Mark Croghan at KSU ahead of him. He has gotten big talent off of OSU's name compared to those other two smaller schools. Give Labaddie or Croghan that talent and see what happens!!

Yeah, because both of them have produced WHO???

Believe me...if they were so great at coaching they shit schools like Akron & Kent State.

What have they done recently at inside of their conference lately in the steeple? In their Region in the steepl? In the nation in the steeple?

I think this discussion comes to a quick stop right now for you.

And............you're done!

And just to further my point:

MAC Championships 2008

3000m Steeple

6th Joe Parker Kent State - 9:19 (He actually did WORSE this year!!)

9th Craig Rupe Akron - 9:45.99 (He ALSO did WORSE!)

MAC Championships 2007

5th Joe Parker Kent State - 9:08

7th Craig Rupe Akron Akron - 9:21

MAC Championships 2006

8th Joe Parker Kent State

11th Kyle Bowman Kent State

12th Ben Wietmarschen Kent State

14th Craig Rupp Akron

15th Clayton Watson Akron

MAC Championships 2005

7th Kyle Bowman Kent State 9:29.91

10th Ben Wietmarschen Kent State 9:44.25

AKRON!?! NONE

MAC Championships 2004

4 Peter Weisz Kent State 9:03.37

15 Adam Bray Akron 9:54.51

Ok, I'm getting tired of this...

As you can CLEARLY see...Akron & Kent State cannot even challenge runners from thier OWN conference. So, don't give me the crap that Gary gets better runners, so therefore....

All MAC teams get just about the same level of HS kids and Akron & Kent cannot even produce enough talent to win a conference title in the event.

You my friend must have been speaking of women's steeple...

Ahhh, see there was your error!!

Labaddie's first year at akron. Let him get some recruits and get his system going. Croghan has been there (KSU) for 3-4years? Team is getting better. A monkey could recruit any Ohio kid to OSU.. How hard is it to get big time talent (OH) in there?? If you grow up in Ohio you want to go to OSU ever since your 5 years old. So how hard of a sell is it!? Not hard in my eyes! Show me some development at OSU!! I'll give you this much.. Olinger ran what 9:20ish in high school and has improved a great deal. Who else is there?? Jeff See ran 4:06 as a 15yr old boy!! He has broken just broken 4min.. I'll even give you Rob Myers, 4:09/1:52 hs. Has improved a great deal... That covers since 1999, 10years. Give me some more names. I believe Labaddie recruited Gary, and then Croghan coached him his final years at OSU. Bottom line is the system is Labaddie's!! Where do you think 3x3mile came from!?

I'm not done yet!!!

Yeah, 3x3 is a NEW training plan!! Hahaha...

And you missed my point completely.

Big 10 schools typically get Big 10 talent. MAC schools typically get MAC talent. Still there has been no production in the MAC from Akron or Kent State.

And genius...when Myers came to Ohio State, Gary was an assistant--even in CC. Coach Warner was the Head CC/Distance coach.

You left off guys like Ian Conner--who came to OSU when Gary was an assistant in both CC/Track.

And he's only been the Head TRACK coach for a couple years. Crogan has been helping Kent for quite a while--just formally a coach as of recent.

You need to figure out what you're talking about first. Then develop a better arguement.

Fact of the matter is that Gary is the best Steeple coach in Ohio--by far.

Yes, he did get help from his previous coach AND by Crogan--BUT you think Oregon/Stanford, Wisco, etc. coaches didn't have some type of mentor??

You're not that bright are you?

For the guy saying Parker actually got worse last year, he won his heat at the NCAA region in 9:05ish and just opened this season at Raleigh Relays in 9:03. Everybody has a bad race once in awhile, his just happened to be at the wrong meet.

Yeppers.. wrote:

Crogan has been helping Kent for quite a while--just formally a coach as of recent.

Croghan wasn't helping at Kent before he was a coach there.

Yeppers,

3x3mile is not a new training plan... I stated this earlier that 3x3mile was taught to gary/croghan from lebaddie. ok, so your saying Gary didn't coach Myers, or Ian Connor(ran one year of hs track, how talented was that guy)?? I don't know I didn't attend OSU... Croghan started coaching at KSU in 2006, and had nothing to do with the program before then. McCraven and Hunt were the primary distance coaches then. I am still not sure where you are getting this lack of production in the MAC from KSU and Akron. Akron has gotten better talent to produce in the past couple years, and KSU has always had solid MAC performers since 2000. I believe KSU won the conference meet that year!! Not sure how I missed your point?? I originally stated that I think Gary is the 3rd best steeple coach in the state of Ohio. Of course OSU gets big ten talent, they are OSU and they get better athletes. I firmly believe that the other schools in Ohio do a much better job of COACHING than Gary does. My opinion. Once again, I do not agree with you that Gary is that great of a coach!!

As far as the production in the MAC goes for Akron and Kent. Check the results again my so called friend. You will find that they tend to hold their own with what they have.

As far as mentors go. I am sure Lebaddie/Croghan did mentor Gary. I know Schumacher (formerly wisco coach) started at UNC, Jason Dunn, now at stanford came from UVA and was GA under Drenth (sp?) at ASU, he ran for WM. V. Lannana now at oregon started way back at Dartmouth, and graduated from C.W. Post. Your right though, I may only have a M.S. but I'm not that bright. I don't mean to name drop in this post, as I don't know these coaches personally. I do know about coaching and I do consider myself BRIGHT in this sport, but I don't know everything. Unlike you!!

P.S. Congrats to KSU qualifying to the NCAA championships this past indoor season in the Men's DMR. How did OSU do in that race??

The Michigan State Spartans will kick OSU all over the track this year!

This post does not back up your original statement. You originally said Gary was the 3rd best steeple coach in Ohio and though it may be your opinion, the results provided show otherwise.

I think it is admirable that our states largest university recruits as many in-state athletes as possible and gives them the opportunity to excel at a higher level. Not every program can get the best talent throughout the U.S.

I wish the womens program was a little stronger though as our best female runners in recent years have chosen to go out of state.

If Roys is interested in the steeple, OSU is the right place to go.