Sabathia Deal

The Yankees did not even make the playoffs last year. Money cannot buy success.

me o my wrote:

I dont have nearly as much problem with bi market teams that are able to pay market value for players, ie the Cubs, and are just able to accumulate better players at their market value. But this is ridiculous.

The Cubs had the 7th highest payroll in the majors last year, nearly $120 million - 6 times the amount that the Marlins spent.

sabathia is pretty kinky he has actually farted on me

agreed. how a cubs fan can complain about high payroll is beyond me.

me o my wrote:

MLB is a joke. For the Yankees, a team CC didnt even really want to go to, to be able to go out and simply buy a player away from every other team by over paying by Id say about 5-10 million a year just shows how unbalanced baseball is.

The yankees now have 3 players who make almost as much or more than the entire payroll of the Marlins, INDIVIDUALLY not collectively.

I dont have nearly as much problem with bi market teams that are able to pay market value for players, ie the Cubs, and are just able to accumulate better players at their market value. But this is ridiculous.

Again CC's career numbers: 3.66 ERA, 117-73; Last season:17-10 2.70 era

Good numbers but 23 million a year?!?!?!?!?!

Steinbrenners are idiots. But very rich idiots.

you bitch like a hypocritical red sox fan. either high salaries are good or bad. you can't say anything over ours is too much.

let me guess, everyone who drives faster than you is an idiot, right?

Sabathia is worth $22 million per year (assuming this recession doesn't last more than another year). The fact that the Dodgers had the inside track and didn't offer him something similar is dissapointing, especially since it'd be fun to watch CC hit mammoth hrs on sports center.

As a Cubs fan my complaint is that they don't spend more given the cash cow that is the franchise, Wrigley Field and WGN/Comcast Sports Net. Then again, it seems like the Cubs and their revenues are a big part of what kept the Tribune Co. afloat for as long as it did.

No complaint from me about the Yankees signing CC -- gets him out of the NL Central!

What part of capitalism do you not understand?

The law firm my company uses pays 100 times more than the law firm our smallest competitor uses; we made the choice to go with our guys even though they don't win every game.

As long as the Yankees spend money they have (and don't ask for bail-outs) more power to them.

That having been said, I'm an As fan.

Was there not some shady going ons with the financing of the new Yankee stadium which GS insisted would be paid for soley by the yankees.

Not a bailout - but hard to accept there reneging on agreements to pay property tax and then pay CC 23 mill a year.

bronco wrote:

As long as the Yankees spend money they have (and don't ask for bail-outs) more power to them.

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I do not know the particulars, please check on them, but...

I believe the Yankees used their political influence to take over public parkland to build the new stadium. I would be willing to bet that there is also some public subsidy involved in the stadium financing as well. This allows the Yankees to pay those salaries. It's not called a "bail-out" but is really the same thing.

"Free Lunch" (forgot the author's name) is an excellant read that addresses this topic.

There is a tremendous difference between acquiring good players at their market value and simply ignoring the market and paying anything.

Im not complaining about high payroll.

By the way midwesta, from the 800 thread, my 800 and 400 prs are better than yours.

Also please start a thread Entitled "CC Sabathia's ERA will be better than Rich Harden's this season" on the message board and feel free to mention me predicting Harden will have a better year. If you dont you are a pussy.

not sure wrote:

let me guess, everyone who drives faster than you is an idiot, right?

No, with the exception of you, the faster drivers are not idiots.

Of course you probably think I am an idiot because I run faster than you.

me o my wrote:

There is a tremendous difference between acquiring good players at their market value and simply ignoring the market and paying anything.

The market for Carsten Charles (2007 Cy Young winner)was set well before last year started. That market was a MINIMUM of 20 mil/year with 137.5 for 6 years being the commonly agreed upon benchmark by any analyst that gave their opinion. Why do you think the Indians traded Sabathia away?

You are either very ignorant or have been living under a rock for the last couple of years to make a statement like that. Whether you want to admit it or not, Sabathia may be the best pitcher in the game right now.

He went 11-2 with Milwaukee with 7 complete games, a 1.65 ERA and 128 k's/25 walks in 130 innings.

Rich Harden will have to win more than 11 games in a season and stay off the DL to be regarded as a top line pitcher. Have you ever heard of Kerry Wood? There is a big difference between a pitcher having to throw the splitter to be successful(the reason he is always on the DL)and a pitcher like Sabathia throwing fastballs, curves, and changes. That is why Sabathia eats up an avg of 200 innings a year. When Hardin can prove he is more durable, he will be worth the contract Sabathia just received.

haha, sure they are. Because you posted your times on that thread? Oh wait, no you didn't... because you have a vagina and can only talk shit after the fact. And yes, Sabathia is a better pitcher than Harden, that's why the Yankees are paying so much for him. They understand his value. Let's see the contract Harden gets next year. I'll let you in on a secret right now though (it won't be even close to that because he's not nearly the pitcher CC is). In other news, Peavy could be going to the Cubs and even with him added to their rotation, the Cubs STILL won't do anything in the postseason. Oh Cubs fans, you are a delight.

damn yankees

how many games in a row did sabathia pitch on three-days rest? what were the pitch counts? streaks like that don't just go away, especially for somebody of sabathia's body type. i should know... look at what i did to mark prior's career! sabathia will not be worth the money.

Dusty Baker wrote:

sabathia will not be worth the money.

I have watched Sabathia since he came in the league and he has gotten better every year. You are obviously too stupid to realize that sabathia's weight is an asset. He can put his weight behind the pitches and doesn't have to strain to consistently hit 95-96. That is why he is so durable. Sabathia will win even more games with a better offense like the Yankees. The Indians cost him at least 12 games the last 3 years with their bad hitting. As said above, the pitchers who have to throw the splitter are the ones who are always injured and have short careers because that pitch puts to much strain on the ligaments of the arm and shoulder. Sabathia doesn't throw a splitter. To compare Sabathia who has had 8 straight productive years and Prior who has had 1.5 is ridiculous.

ripvanracer wrote:

...sabathia's weight is an asset. He can put his weight behind the pitches and doesn't have to strain to consistently hit 95-96. That is why he is so durable.

This is not accurate. He has been durable, but not because of his weight. In spite of it. Body fat does not generate power.

Joba Chamberlain has added close to 20, yes 20, mph to his fastball over the last five years as he dropped from 280 to 225 pounds. If your theory were correct, he'd have lost velocity over that time period.

fall down drunk wrote:

This is not accurate. He has been durable, but not because of his weight. In spite of it. Body fat does not generate power.

Joba Chamberlain .

Of course you can be too fat but I have not seen that in Sabathia. Have you seen Pedro Martinez throw a 95 mph fastball at 165 lbs? He is always on the DL. Jack Nicklaus lost a lot of weight and saw his drives and one irons decrease 10-15 yards. How do you think David Wells lasted so long in the majors?

Joba better worry more about midges than losing a few lbs if he ever wants to be a star in the majors!!!!!