A Quick Poll:
How many of you minimalists run over 35 mpw and have never been injured? How many of you run over 60 mpw and are not injured chronically?
My point:
If you do not run decent mileage yourself, your theories in training mean nothing to any serious distance runners, so shut up.
If you are a high mileage runner (in my book that means at VERY least 60 mpw) AND a minimalist, chances are you won't be a high mileage runner for very long.
My, my.
I thought the OP was merely mentioning that H Streets were available once again. You sure must be awfully discerning to read between the lines and realize he actually meant to ask for opinions on the relationship of minimalism to injury.
I guess that's also emphasized by your not even needing to take an actual poll to learn people's experience; it's simple offered as a thought-experiment because of course you already know the answer.
"maximalist" indeed - one imagines you must know the maximum about the maximum!
As a serious runner, minimalists make me quite angry. I see the word minimalist in a topic and I want to crush their tiny heads with a pair of pliers.
And that wasn't actually me trying to take a poll OR me thinking that was what the OP meant to do. It's called sarcasm. Maybe you should read between the lines a little more.
And you didn't answer the question, did you?
How's your mileage and running health?
I'm just trying to make a point.
maximalist wrote: As a serious nutjob with raging boundary issues and emotional regulation problems, minimalists make me quite angry.
Corrected.
Started switching from normal trainers to lightweight trainers in December, and I now train in Asics Hyperspeed 2s. I haven't been injured since I started the transition, and I have improved significantly. I have averaged 70mpw (peak about 75) since then, and the next few weeks I plan on getting up to 80. Now I guess the Hyperspeeds wouldn't make me a "true" minimalist, but they're certainly not "maximal" trainers as I assume you wear. I agree that minimalism probably wouldn't be the best option for everyone, but I don't think there is anybody that should be training in any clunkers over around 12-13oz. either, there is no need for those monstrosities either. You have to find a shoe in the middle that works for you.
To the OP: great news about the H-Streets, I may pick up a pair once my stash of Frees runs out. They're a nice looking shoe, to boot.
to maximalist: I've been running between 80 and 110 miles a week in Frees for almost three years. Other than scalding myself in a kitchen disaster, I have been completely injury free and I feel great. So, does that prove your point?
maximalist wrote:
A Quick Poll:
How many of you minimalists run over 35 mpw and have never been injured? How many of you run over 60 mpw and are not injured chronically?
My point:
If you do not run decent mileage yourself, your theories in training mean nothing to any serious distance runners, so shut up.
If you are a high mileage runner (in my book that means at VERY least 60 mpw) AND a minimalist, chances are you won't be a high mileage runner for very long.
Range 70-100 mpw yearly, wearing only waffle racers to train in. Never had an injury while doing so. I've run sub 14 in the 5k and sub 30 in the 10k doing so.
Contrary to the name I am posting under, I do not wear clunky trainers. I wear Supernova Classics (which may be considered clunky trainers to some, but I have a size 6 foot so they are not at all clunky) and I run 80 mpw. I also do some barefoot running, but the operant word is "some."
The kind of minimalist I object to is the one that comes up to me and tells me that I should be running in nike Frees, or doing my long runs in flats. That is BS and it has happened to me quite a bit. Total strangers in the gym think it is their duty to inform me that their way of training is the best, that I would be so much faster if I just did this one thing. I am angry because some 45 year old man with a beer belly and a 20 mpw record thinks he somehow has the right to tell me what to do.
I don't object to people who choose to wear lightweight, neutral shoes. Just those that treat racing shoes/shoes meant for the elliptical trainer as real runner shoes.
And I am not a nutjob. I am a regular old 23 year old girl who goes to college and runs and is sick of whackjob minimalists trying to tell her the right way to train.
You really should be doing all of your running in minimal shoes, not just some barefoot running. Besides making you a healthier and better runner, it might help with your anger issues. Win win!
Excellent troll-job.
Well, you were the second post on a thread simply informing everyone that the H-Streets were back and you came out guns blazing, accusing everyone here of lying to you. Nobody here is telling you to do anything. However, you do contend that those of us training in racing shoes should not treat them as "real runner shoes."
You, my dear, are the nosy wackjob that you so detest.
maximalist wrote: I am angry because some 45 year old man with a beer belly and a 20 mpw record thinks he somehow has the right to tell me what to do.
So blow up at *him*, not some poor poster who, as a service to the rest of us, merely mentions that the shoe is available!
Whether you need to blow up at a parent as well, rather than bottle up anger when they tell you what to do, only you know.
Minimalism refers to an approach to human behaviour which may or may not apply to running footware.
Chill.
Random violence and uncontrolled anger, for example, are intuitively the opposite.
i quite like the pegasus tc's.
ive had a pair previously and was injury free while running in them. i also didn't have as many hip and back problems. i started training in super nova classics, one week later hamstring tendonitis. well, i guess i have suffered one injury while running in the pegasus tcs, achilles tendonitis. this is a bad season for tendonitis. f***.
I trained in minimalist shoes for several years. I ran a 4:04 mile and was doing well until I came down with an illness. Trained on average about 70 mpw.
... i can hear those anti-minimalists thumbers say "Minimalism causes Illness, Minimalism causes Illness!!!"
I've been doing 2 to 3 runs a week in vibrams with some barefoot and I love it. Yesterday we had an office "olympics" for united way. First part was a big blow up obstacle course. It was pretty cool, but when you're done you run back to the start barefoot on concrete. I knew I was going to smoke whoever I was up against running back, which I did. Problem? Coming off the grass I kicked the damn sidewalk. Big toe is all swollen and black and blue this morning. Sheesh. Run all the time just fine and nothing happens. 100 people watching though and you kick a sidewalk.
ickybana5 wrote:Wow...
Responding to a troll AFTER the troll has been called... Do I get extra Troll points??
If that's really what floats your boat, sure. Double points.
OTOH, if you're also a 23 year old fit runner girl like yr alter ego "maximalist", stop by this evening and I'll show you how to have even more fun than fooling a few message board posters into thinking you're anonymous person A instead of anonymous person B. I won't even hold those clunky trainers against you.
45 year old man with a beer belly and a 20 mpw record thinks he somehow has the right to tell me what to do.
40, no beer belly, "record" is triple digits. I won't start off ordering you around but will work with you and offer suggestions if you start to look lost.