I like mentioned a few weeks ago during the "German is god thread" which compared him to Ritz and Rupp, there is a huge difference between running on a warm, dry XC course and a crappy, muddy cold midwest course. I think that was proven on a muddy, slow, still not too cold course. The guys who have to deal with adverse course conditions often did very well, wouldn't you say? Amazing race and strength by the winner. Congrats to all.