Brought this up earlier this year and was called a high schooler.
Grant Fisher has all American records 3k-10k and now the only American to ever get two medals across 5k/10k at a single Olympics and the only American with an Olympic medal in both events period. He is the best American distance runner of all time.
Please everyone tie yourself into knots telling me why I’m wrong.
It’s still disputed until he has success at the marathon. Which I think he will and he’ll end is career as the US distance GOAT, but he needs to do that first.
Of course, Parker Wolfe, Nico, and Graham are all more promising than Fisher was at the same age and more competitive internationally so they may pass him up by the time they’re his age. Who knows.
Brought this up earlier this year and was called a high schooler.
Grant Fisher has all American records 3k-10k and now the only American to ever get two medals across 5k/10k at a single Olympics and the only American with an Olympic medal in both events period. He is the best American distance runner of all time.
Please everyone tie yourself into knots telling me why I’m wrong.
Don’t get me wrong - Grant had a phenomenal games and performed slightly better than I expected but that 5000m was slightly watered down. His kick was very impressive. That being said I still think Rupp is the GOAT for now. Nice thing is Fisher seems to still be on the upswing and hasn’t peaked yet. I look forward to seeing what he does - needs to take a serious stab at sub 8 for 2 miles. I do think he could threaten the 7:20 3K WR.
Brought this up earlier this year and was called a high schooler.
Grant Fisher has all American records 3k-10k and now the only American to ever get two medals across 5k/10k at a single Olympics and the only American with an Olympic medal in both events period. He is the best American distance runner of all time.
Please everyone tie yourself into knots telling me why I’m wrong.
Don’t get me wrong - Grant had a phenomenal games and performed slightly better than I expected but that 5000m was slightly watered down. His kick was very impressive. That being said I still think Rupp is the GOAT for now. Nice thing is Fisher seems to still be on the upswing and hasn’t peaked yet. I look forward to seeing what he does - needs to take a serious stab at sub 8 for 2 miles. I do think he could threaten the 7:20 3K WR.
How could you possibly have Rupp as the GOAT? Fisher's PRs are significantly faster, and now he has hardware in an event Rupp could not medal in. Rupp never had the American record in the 5k...Grant took that from Lagat!
I think Shorter is the best 10k/marathon, but also America's greatest xc runner. Didn't he win something like 5 national xc championships in a row? But he wasn't as good at 5k so I think it's fair to crown Grant as America's GOAT on the track for 5k/10k
Ludicrous recency bias. Fisher is doing great and is on his way to GOAT status but for god's sake lay some respect on Rupp's name. Rupp has 10k SILVER and a marathon career that on its own stands as the best American marathon career of all time.
Ludicrous recency bias. Fisher is doing great and is on his way to GOAT status but for god's sake lay some respect on Rupp's name. Rupp has 10k SILVER and a marathon career that on its own stands as the best American marathon career of all time.
You have nostalgia bias. What Fisher did this Olympics beats out any one of Rupp's single Olympics results, and is just slightly below his combined 2012 + 2016 performances. Add in the fact that Grant has every single American record from 3k-10k simultaneously and that makes Grant the GOAT.
How could you possibly have Rupp as the GOAT? Fisher's PRs are significantly faster, and now he has hardware in an event Rupp could not medal in. Rupp never had the American record in the 5k...Grant took that from Lagat!
Rupp’s 3:50 mile is better than anything Fisher has done at 1500/mile, and the differences in shoe tech and pacing lights need to be factored into any comparison of their times. Then there’s that whole marathon thing.
Oh, and since you brought up Lagat, I believe a double-gold is better than a double-bronze.
It’s still disputed until he has success at the marathon. Which I think he will and he’ll end is career as the US distance GOAT, but he needs to do that first.
Of course, Parker Wolfe, Nico, and Graham are all more promising than Fisher was at the same age and more competitive internationally so they may pass him up by the time they’re his age. Who knows.
sure the above 3 had faster 5000m times than Fisher at the same age, but say what you want about Miltenberg but he was pretty smart about bringing along Fisher gradually at Stanford (redshirted his 1st indoor season) and he didn't race a lot initially; plus he was in a tough major with engineering; it paid off now!
Grant does have a case for the best American distance guy. I guess it does come down to Frank Shorter or Grant.
Too bad they didn't take the '76 marathon gold from the East German cheat and give it to Frank. Then we have a guy with 2 Oly marathon golds, and that's GOAT material. He also ranked #1, or very high for several years in the 10,000, as per T&FN, placed 5th in '72 Oly 10,000 WR race, and in '74 Pre barely outkicked Frank 12:51 - 12:52 when Pre set the US 3-mile run record.
I made a similar argument to your very good one in another post. He had 4 Fukuoka wins when it was basically the World Championships - World number 1 4 years in a row in the marathon, Olympic Gold and Silver in the marathon. 5th in the 10 in 72 with what I believe was a USA record at the time - all with primitive kit and shoes. The 2 bronzes for Fisher are great and he obviously is much faster, as are Rupp's silver and bronze - but look a Shorter's stats.
Ludicrous recency bias. Fisher is doing great and is on his way to GOAT status but for god's sake lay some respect on Rupp's name. Rupp has 10k SILVER and a marathon career that on its own stands as the best American marathon career of all time.
Dude doesn't medal in Tokyo without tech doping... Huge asterisk on that right there and that is by far his biggest accomplishment in the marathon.
I agree 100% only 3 guys had 'the shoes'. Rupp wasn't much ahead of 3rd. The plates make an incredible difference. I think Ward may've challenged him wearing vaporlys and he was 6th.