Elle St. Pierre is a terrible racer

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6 hours ago 08/10/2024 4:47pm EDT

She races like a high schooler — antsy, making unnecessary sharp moves and surges. It started with the semi-final where she seemed to be running panicked, jostling to always get to where she thought she needed to be. Be patient! Sure enough, space opened soon after these moves and her moves proved to be pointless. Compared to the confidence in one's fitness displayed by runners like Kipyegon, the difference is stark.

Then in the final today, it seems she has an adolescent mentality of "stay right on the leader, no matter what!" — even if the leader is Tsegay going out at a suicidal pace. I think it's obvious to say that she and Hiltz would have been better served today doing something closer to what Muir did and running a bit more within themselves for the first 600.

St. Pierre is fit, sure, but lots to learn in the ways of racing.

6 hours ago 08/10/2024 4:53pm EDT

re: bepatient

bepatient wrote:
She races like a high schooler — antsy, making unnecessary sharp moves and surges. It started with the semi-final where she seemed to be running panicked, jostling to always get to where she thought she needed to be. Be patient! Sure enough, space opened soon after these moves and her moves proved to be pointless. Compared to the confidence in one's fitness displayed by runners like Kipyegon, the difference is stark.
Then in the final today, it seems she has an adolescent mentality of "stay right on the leader, no matter what!" — even if the leader is Tsegay going out at a suicidal pace. I think it's obvious to say that she and Hiltz would have been better served today doing something closer to what Muir did and running a bit more within themselves for the first 600.
St. Pierre is fit, sure, but lots to learn in the ways of racing.

She seemed antsy, true. I think it's difficult for some to keep their cool from the gun when feeling so strong (and she is!), the excitement and roar of the stadium, and plain-ol' Olympic final nerves. I think the same happened with Bol in her final. Hopefully, ESP and Hiltz will try hanging back a bit more in the beginning (though, Hiltz is usually pretty patient/ good with that). I wish they all just let Tsegay go off like a nut - it was obvious she'd fade big time. Sigh.

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6 hours ago 08/10/2024 5:14pm EDT

re: bepatient

She really should have run the 5k instead. She does not have enough speed for the 1500m.

5 hours ago 08/10/2024 5:26pm EDT

re: bepatient

bepatient wrote:
She races like a high schooler — antsy, making unnecessary sharp moves and surges. It started with the semi-final where she seemed to be running panicked, jostling to always get to where she thought she needed to be. Be patient! Sure enough, space opened soon after these moves and her moves proved to be pointless. Compared to the confidence in one's fitness displayed by runners like Kipyegon, the difference is stark.
Then in the final today, it seems she has an adolescent mentality of "stay right on the leader, no matter what!" — even if the leader is Tsegay going out at a suicidal pace. I think it's obvious to say that she and Hiltz would have been better served today doing something closer to what Muir did and running a bit more within themselves for the first 600.
St. Pierre is fit, sure, but lots to learn in the ways of racing.

Just rewatched the race and I have to agree. I admire her spirit to go for the win and counter all the moves ahead of her but she doesn't really have the fitness to do that. Had she hung back a bit (same goes for N. Hiltz) I think they might have had a better chance for a medal.

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5 hours ago 08/10/2024 5:36pm EDT

re: 1955

1955 wrote:
She really should have run the 5k instead. She does not have enough speed for the 1500m.

Really? That race was about surviving after a 59 suicidal opening lap, not about a kick. Even for Kipyegon and the other medalists, they just recovered and died less. Well, I guess Muir kicked pretty hard.

ESP wouldn't have medalled in the 5k either.

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4 hours ago 08/10/2024 7:06pm EDT

It's interesting that in the indoor season she and Hull were neck and neck. In the following months, Jess went and focussed purely on 800/1500 training and ESP kept up more aerobic 1500/5000 training heading into the US trials.

Is this the difference in how they diverged? ESP stayed strong. But Jess got lean and quick?

As a non-American, I wasn't sorry to see ESP run poorly today. She looked a dirty racer in the US trials and never seems gracious in victory or defeat. Is she unliked on the circuit?

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3 hours ago 08/10/2024 7:27pm EDT

re: bepatient

Unfortunately Ellie probably cooked it a little bit in that first 200-300m which in an interview Jess Hull said she was a little surprised by how bold a move that Ellie made. It almost came back to bite Jess but she stayed strong that last 50m.

3 hours ago 08/10/2024 7:45pm EDT

re: a little bit harsh

a little bit harsh wrote:
Unfortunately Ellie probably cooked it a little bit in that first 200-300m which in an interview Jess Hull said she was a little surprised by how bold a move that Ellie made. It almost came back to bite Jess but she stayed strong that last 50m.

kinda funny how that 2018 NCAA Women's 1500m final-had 3 of the Olympic finalists; worth a watch and I remember Purrier blowing her stack on the 1st 2 laps. Hull won it running more patient and Hiltz kicked it in for 2nd; A lot of talk about Hull's improvement but a really smart racer in my opinion..

3 hours ago 08/10/2024 8:05pm EDT

re: ESPeaked in May

ESPeaked in May wrote:
It's interesting that in the indoor season she and Hull were neck and neck. In the following months, Jess went and focussed purely on 800/1500 training and ESP kept up more aerobic 1500/5000 training heading into the US trials.
Is this the difference in how they diverged? ESP stayed strong. But Jess got lean and quick?
As a non-American, I wasn't sorry to see ESP run poorly today. She looked a dirty racer in the US trials and never seems gracious in victory or defeat. Is she unliked on the circuit?

I think that is a pretty fair assessment of ESP. I don't think she has many friends in professional track and field outside little New Balance Group.

3 hours ago 08/10/2024 8:09pm EDT

re: American Dairy Council

American Dairy Council wrote:
ESPeaked in May wrote:
It's interesting that in the indoor season she and Hull were neck and neck. In the following months, Jess went and focussed purely on 800/1500 training and ESP kept up more aerobic 1500/5000 training heading into the US trials.
Is this the difference in how they diverged? ESP stayed strong. But Jess got lean and quick?
As a non-American, I wasn't sorry to see ESP run poorly today. She looked a dirty racer in the US trials and never seems gracious in victory or defeat. Is she unliked on the circuit?
I think that is a pretty fair assessment of ESP. I don't think she has many friends in professional track and field outside little New Balance Group.

Does Elle do that many races? She busy being a mom and making milk.

3 hours ago 08/10/2024 8:12pm EDT

re: American Dairy Council

She has the awareness to realize she MUST finish well behind Hull to avoid LRC doping accusations. Smart cookie, that ESP ;)

3 hours ago 08/10/2024 8:12pm EDT

re: bepatient

bepatient wrote:
She races like a high schooler — antsy, making unnecessary sharp moves and surges. It started with the semi-final where she seemed to be running panicked, jostling to always get to where she thought she needed to be. Be patient! Sure enough, space opened soon after these moves and her moves proved to be pointless. Compared to the confidence in one's fitness displayed by runners like Kipyegon, the difference is stark.
Then in the final today, it seems she has an adolescent mentality of "stay right on the leader, no matter what!" — even if the leader is Tsegay going out at a suicidal pace. I think it's obvious to say that she and Hiltz would have been better served today doing something closer to what Muir did and running a bit more within themselves for the first 600.
St. Pierre is fit, sure, but lots to learn in the ways of racing.

It's partially not her fault. Her coach messed up. First, he filled her with belief that she could run 3:52-3:53 "fresh" without the 5000m, and he also knew she should run the 5000m but let her choose the 1500m. It's like when Pre thought he was a Miler and Bowerman was like, no, you are a 3-miler. Poor decision today to chase Tsegay.

3 hours ago 08/10/2024 8:20pm EDT

re: bepatient

too much milk. DRINK ALMOND MILK INSTEAD

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