There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
Are the Brits still using grey area meds...
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brits these days wrote:
There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
No we do t but the yes team still do plus plenty of illegal PEDs too
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What do you think is in that Earl Grey tea of theirs?
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USA still does wrote:
brits these days wrote:
There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
No we do t but the yes team still do plus plenty of illegal PEDs too
You're right, that's why British sprinters run off to the US and more recently Italy.
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brits these days wrote:
There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
The country needs a morale boost to go with the change in regime. The soccer team failed us, so it’s full steam ahead for Paris.
Mo was on L-Carnitine. Not to be confused with Cardarine…
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brits these days wrote:
There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
Yes. Everyone uses them. Much more than just the Brits.
Everyone tries to gain every legal advantage they can.80 -
RuleBritannia wrote:
brits these days wrote:
There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
The country needs a morale boost to go with the change in regime. The soccer team failed us, so it’s full steam ahead for Paris.
Mo was on L-Carnitine. Not to be confused with Cardarine…
Mo was on a lot more than the L-carnitine experiment 1%. Mo was on the exclusive "likely doping" shortlist triggered (but suspiciously without pursuit or prosecution) by the blood doping section of the biological passport.
It wasnt rocket science. Alberto's NOP was copying the TeamSky testosterone protocol, allowing its athletes to get up to their own remote camp shenanigans (jama), and then experimenting openly with the possible 1-2% benefits like asthma/thyroid TUEs and things like the carnatine overload injections.
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Not systematically. If they were, they would be sending an entire team to the Games, not just a handpicked few they hope will make the podium.
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Does the USOC still cover up positive drug tests for some its athletes? The trials just happened so I guess we'll find out in a few years how many positive tests there really were this year.
Under/over on positive tests covered up is set at 5.
The USOC has a long history of covering up positive tests. Just watch the new Victor Conte YouTube video where he explicitly states that he was informed of a positive test for his athlete but it was covered up due to the USOC not wanting the bad publicity.
The USOC is dirty. Conte and others have admitted it.
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Americans are objectively the most 2 faced of drug cheats. Continually banning and hating while doing it all themselves. At least the Russians just cheat and don't play "he's a good boy Momma!" stories to the world.
What makes it worse is all your best athletes are descenadnat of slaves. Hence the over focus on the distance events! But since The Kembois have taken over that you can kiss goodbye to all of it in 5 years max. I look forward to a US team where nobody has lived there for more than ten years! The joy of freedom! The 2nd rate Kenyans and Ethiopians waving the flag and saying whatever the f Nike International told them to stay.
"I love America and Bidet and Trunk!"
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The soccer team failed you guys ? They played the final second year in a row !
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Charlesvdw wrote:
The soccer team failed you guys ? They played the final second year in a row !
This isn’t America. We’re the home of football and the team failed us. Second place is first loser.
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brits these days wrote:
There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
It was already known, courtesy of the Russian hackers Fancy Bears, that Wiggins was given injections of triamcinolone before he competed in three of cycling’s grand tours. But the suggestion that the abuse of that drug was possibly widespread in the team is grave. Most damagingly they say the team, led by Dave Brailsford, obtained therapeutic use exemption forms – effectively a doctor’s note – to allow triamcinolone to be used. The MPs who led the inquiry believe Wiggins used it to improve his power-to-weight ratio in the run-up to the Tour de France in 2012. They even allege that the performance-enhancing benefits would have continued during the race, which he went on to win amid euphoric scenes on Paris’s Champs Élysées.Earlier Cooke told the tribunal that Sutton had found an empty phial of the banned drug EPO in a car at the Five Valleys Road Race while the national coach of Wales.The tribunal also reinforced the sense that the rosy picture of marginal gains was rather different from the reality. Not only did Freeman not keep medical records, he lost or destroyed several laptops. He also claimed not to know about the benefits of testosterone – despite being one of the leading sports doctors in the country – and said he had “no knowledge” of the World Anti-Doping Code related to possessing banned substances.A World Anti-Doping Agency report has uncovered “potential wrongdoing” by “individuals” involved in the drug testing of British cyclists.
The agency’s independent Intelligence and Investigations department launched its Operation Echo investigation in March amid allegations aimed at British Cycling and UK Anti-Doping over actions taken in 2011 during the buildup to the London Olympics.The former chief doctor of Team Sky and British Cycling Richard Freeman has been handed a four‑year doping ban for possession of a banned substance and twice lying to UK Anti‑Doping investigators.
Freeman was struck off the medical register in 2021 after being found guilty of ordering 30 sachets of a banned testosterone to the National Cycling Centre, “knowing or believing” it was for an unnamed rider to improve their performance.
This latest punishment amounts to the first official doping sanction for a member of staff during the golden era of British Cycling, when they dominated in the velodrome and on the roads. Freeman, who was the physician for the team at the 2012 and 2016 Olympic Games, also worked closely with Sir Bradley Wiggins and other top riders while at Team Sky.It’s an Olympic year, with a Games being held as close to home as possible, and a number of British athletes are popping off with big breakthroughs. We know that British Cycling was up to no good, so as a Brit I don’t buy-in to the “Brits / Europeans are clean, Africans are dirty” narrative.
The main issue for me is that British Athletics isn’t centralised like British Cycling, with track athletes being spread far and wide in small training groups across the UK, Europe, the US and altitude camps in Europe and East / South Africa. Some so-called training groups only meet for camps, with the athletes living hundreds of miles from one another the rest of the time.
Given this fact, if there is doping that would require regular monitoring, I would assume that one training group would require multiple doctors to be involved. However, I have never even taken a legal supplement, let alone a PED, so my assumption may be incorrect.
Additionally, the relationship between British athletes and their federation is often a fractious one, with complaints over funding and selection being a common theme.
Several of Britain’s top track and field stars have told Sebastian Coe they are at breaking point with the current regime at UK Athletics and have made a plea to him to intervene.Being sceptical, we should consider that track is an expensive sport and most athletes are losing money by attempting to make the British team. The federation appears to be a sinking ship and isn’t as freewheeling with funding as in past seasons.
UKA still faces substantial problems, with Beattie confirming that even the sellout Diamond League in London in July, which attracted more than 50,000 fans, lost between £100,000 and £500,000.
Beattie also said that GB athletes who “sit in the periphery of the world-class performance remit, such as cross-country competition and teams at junior championships” may have to find some of their own funding in future.The only way to cash-out in track is to “go big, or go home”, which creates a pressure cooker environment that could certainly lead to doping.
A British male Olympian is being investigated by anti-doping authorities after US court documents claimed he received banned drugs while in America during 2021.90 -
More Mo bashing
Please post all the other athletes who BEGGED to have their results published.
Still waiting for Ingebrigsten to do this...
And waiting....
And waiting....
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CleanAsAWhistle wrote:
brits these days wrote:
There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
It was already known, courtesy of the Russian hackers Fancy Bears, that Wiggins was given injections of triamcinolone before he competed in three of cycling’s grand tours. But the suggestion that the abuse of that drug was possibly widespread in the team is grave. Most damagingly they say the team, led by Dave Brailsford, obtained therapeutic use exemption forms – effectively a doctor’s note – to allow triamcinolone to be used. The MPs who led the inquiry believe Wiggins used it to improve his power-to-weight ratio in the run-up to the Tour de France in 2012. They even allege that the performance-enhancing benefits would have continued during the race, which he went on to win amid euphoric scenes on Paris’s Champs Élysées.Earlier Cooke told the tribunal that Sutton had found an empty phial of the banned drug EPO in a car at the Five Valleys Road Race while the national coach of Wales.The tribunal also reinforced the sense that the rosy picture of marginal gains was rather different from the reality. Not only did Freeman not keep medical records, he lost or destroyed several laptops. He also claimed not to know about the benefits of testosterone – despite being one of the leading sports doctors in the country – and said he had “no knowledge” of the World Anti-Doping Code related to possessing banned substances.A World Anti-Doping Agency report has uncovered “potential wrongdoing” by “individuals” involved in the drug testing of British cyclists.The agency’s independent Intelligence and Investigations department launched its Operation Echo investigation in March amid allegations aimed at British Cycling and UK Anti-Doping over actions taken in 2011 during the buildup to the London Olympics.
The former chief doctor of Team Sky and British Cycling Richard Freeman has been handed a four‑year doping ban for possession of a banned substance and twice lying to UK Anti‑Doping investigators.Freeman was struck off the medical register in 2021 after being found guilty of ordering 30 sachets of a banned testosterone to the National Cycling Centre, “knowing or believing” it was for an unnamed rider to improve their performance.
This latest punishment amounts to the first official doping sanction for a member of staff during the golden era of British Cycling, when they dominated in the velodrome and on the roads. Freeman, who was the physician for the team at the 2012 and 2016 Olympic Games, also worked closely with Sir Bradley Wiggins and other top riders while at Team Sky.
It’s an Olympic year, with a Games being held as close to home as possible, and a number of British athletes are popping off with big breakthroughs. We know that British Cycling was up to no good, so as a Brit I don’t buy-in to the “Brits / Europeans are clean, Africans are dirty” narrative.
The main issue for me is that British Athletics isn’t centralised like British Cycling, with track athletes being spread far and wide in small training groups across the UK, Europe, the US and altitude camps in Europe and East / South Africa. Some so-called training groups only meet for camps, with the athletes living hundreds of miles from one another the rest of the time.
Given this fact, if there is doping that would require regular monitoring, I would assume that one training group would require multiple doctors to be involved. However, I have never even taken a legal supplement, let alone a PED, so my assumption may be incorrect.
Additionally, the relationship between British athletes and their federation is often a fractious one, with complaints over funding and selection being a common theme.
Several of Britain’s top track and field stars have told Sebastian Coe they are at breaking point with the current regime at UK Athletics and have made a plea to him to intervene.Being sceptical, we should consider that track is an expensive sport and most athletes are losing money by attempting to make the British team. The federation appears to be a sinking ship and isn’t as freewheeling with funding as in past seasons.
UKA still faces substantial problems, with Beattie confirming that even the sellout Diamond League in London in July, which attracted more than 50,000 fans, lost between £100,000 and £500,000.Beattie also said that GB athletes who “sit in the periphery of the world-class performance remit, such as cross-country competition and teams at junior championships” may have to find some of their own funding in future.
The only way to cash-out in track is to “go big, or go home”, which creates a pressure cooker environment that could certainly lead to doping.
A British male Olympian is being investigated by anti-doping authorities after US court documents claimed he received banned drugs while in America during 2021.Is GBR the new GDR?
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brits these days wrote:
There were lots of stories about British endurance using Asthma and Thyroid meds when Salazar was in an advisory role, as well as the use of infusions, elcartinine etc...
Is this still common?
I don't think GB athletes go to drugs as immorally as American ones. I know for a true fact that Josh Kerr and Jake Wightman, 2 real darlings of British distance sport, are so clean that they are white as snow. Their progress and also their blips and bumps are all very reasonable and expected. With them there are no surprises, you see Jake Wightman getting injured and when he returned to racing he was very erratic which is supposed to be the case. Whereas for Faith Kipyegon, she was injured and then she returned to racing with zero erratic-ness and was instantly a one-hit wonder again in her first race back and her very next one already with a new 1500m WR LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You feeling me all LRCers??????? Follow your (my rather) gut instincts, mine are very well-conditioned, I've seen it all, done it all!!!!!!!!!
So yes Faith Kipyegon is obviously a doper despite not giving a failed drugs test or whereabouts failure, and we proceed from there. While Jake Wightman, our British darling, together with Josh Kerr are really fell from heaven because they are pure angels of our sport, you feeling me?????
On the American side you have 2 culprits Fisher and Hocker who like Faith Kipyegon and unlike Jake and Josh could OVERCOME ERRATIC-NESS OR DEFY ERRATIC-NESS and perform with such unnatural immediacy/instantaneity where the laws of space-time are almost completely bended into a corner. You have American Hocker in sudden space-time instantaneity desecrating the 1500m field and Nuguse at 2024 US Olympic trials and seemingly levitating the entire 3 rounds against what he demonstrated weeks or months earlier, but suddenly seemed to have epoxy glue stuck to his soles in the 5000m final where fatigue and exhaustion does not seem to be susceptible enough to explain his wimp display. You also have American Fisher in sudden space-time changed his performance colors from black to white or from wimpy to stellar within 7 days from 5000m to 10000m final in the trials. There was none of the erraticism we should be seeing such as found in Jake Wightman and Josh Kerr who train just as hard and well as Fisher, for sure, for why would they be slacking on a couch and sleeping all day in an Olympic year???? So training isn't involved in any qualitative difference in athlete performance seen between Hocker and Wightman or Fisher and Wightman.
That's why I root for Britain and Kerr/Wightman. I trust Britain more than America based off of the circumstances of their high performance athlete outcomes and behaviors.
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Certainly I don’t know about in the past for present day British guys like Wightman and Kerr are the cleanest of the bunch. I don’t think they even use grey area carnitine or anything like that. Like asthma and corticosteroids etc. But the same could not be said of the Kipyegons, Kipchoges, and even Hockers and Fishers.
The Hockers and Fishers don’t know they make it way too obvious with their recent suspicious performances at USAs. If they are thinking they can make their fans think they could outtrain some of their competitors who are much better than them within a span of a few short weeks and make it seem like it’s not due to doping, they failed big as 2-3 weeks of last minute training doesn’t suppose to be that huge of a difference and Hockers win over Nuguse was precisely that.
And the Fishers been flipping and flopping between good and races too quickly a sure sign of doping. Wightman wasn’t flipping and flopping like that from January 2024.37 -
TheTortoise wrote:
Is GBR the new GDR?
As there are many individual actors in modern British track - in contrast with a centralised state in the DDR - you would need some sort of network-based conspiracy, where doping methods are being shared across training groups and UKAD is complicit.
There is a lot of individual rivalry here so it’s difficult to see why you would want your competitors to run well by sharing doping methods, so in this conspiracy you would require the doping guidance to come from on high and being determinate to all of the top athletes, which as a Brit watching UKA run the sport into the ground over the past decade makes me dubious that they are competent enough to pull such a scheme off. However, we must keep in mind that British Cycling already has, so we shouldn’t write off the possibility in track.
Overall, I can’t answer your question as I’m not an insider. I just run.
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Replace “determinate” with “disseminated”.
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The US is one of the he dirtiest countries in the world yet are always accusing others and always looking for reasons US athletes should get off when they test positive (tainted meat excuses etc.). You should look in your own back yard before accusing others. Many Brits who were under suspicion e.g. Farah or tested positive e.g. Dwayne Chambers were training in the US. I'm much more suspicious of UK athletes training in the USA than those based in the UK. Easy access to medication, Balco, Salazar, Dr Brown etc. etc.
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