I don't mind it when I get beat my MV60s in races, but they all have a smug arrogance

Sorry you are slow.

Witnessed a MV60 run a 1:05 10mile this year.
While they are all angry and xenophobic, they're not all slow

I'm 65 and much slower than I used to be and I don't have the motivation to train enough anymore.

But I do know some guys who are "hanging on" so to speak.

In my humble opinion they are trying to cling to their identity.

In their minds (and maybe in reality) all they have as an identity is their running and racing.

I was lucky enough (?) to have more than running as an identity.

I'm a father, was a teacher, coach, I have friends outside of the running community.

I'm seen as more than a runner - the local Democratic committee has been trying to get me to run for local office (no way!).

Their "desperation" is seen by others and, sadly, it's pathetic.

That's just my humble opinion.

runn, will you PLEASE tell us the story of younger ladies being crazy over you?

TRT is a billion dollar industry globally and projected to grow even more:

finance.yahoo.com

Testosterone Replacement Therapy Market to Reach $2.9 billion Globally, by 2032 at 4.2% CAGR: Allied Market Research

Allied Market Research published a report, titled, "Testosterone Replacement Therapy Market by Product Type (Injectables, Topical, and Other), Active Ingredient (Testosterone Cypionate, Testosterone, Testosterone Enanthate, T...

Link:finance.yahoo.com/news/testosterone-re...

I'm a 60+ yr old gym rat doing a lot of weight training & it seems just about every other guy over 50 at my gym is using TRT - either gels or injections. And there's "low-T centers" cropping up all over my city with some of them heavily advertising on sports talk radio shows.

I would surmise there's probobly a fair amount of use in the master running community with the availability & affordability of TRT these days, plus I understand they don't test much (if there's little to no testing - and no OOC testing - where's the fear of TRT users getting caught?)

Even some race walkers are all in with TRT. Lol

nbcsports.com

60-year-old race walker receives steroid ban

https://www.nbcsports.com/author/nick-zaccardi

He was the only competitor in his age group at the meet where he tested positive.

Link:www.nbcsports.com/olympics/news/race-w...

I guess what you are trying to say is

you do mind it

For those of us who are stupid, what's an "MV60"?

I’d like to think of it as in P V Q, with the disjunction sign indicating the inclusive “or.” But I believe it’s men 60 and over.

Okay thanks. Never heard that term before

Me either. Was upinferring.

? Inferring (weird autocorrect insertion)

“I'm a 60+ yr old gym rat doing a lot of weight training & it seems just about every other guy over 50 at my gym is using TRT - either gels or injections. And there's "low-T centers" cropping up all over my city with some of them heavily advertising on sports talk radio shows.
I would surmise there's probobly a fair amount of use in the master running community with the availability & affordability of TRT these days, plus I understand they don't test much (if there's little to no testing - and noOOC testing - where's the fear of TRT users getting caught?)
Even some race walkers are all in with TRT. Lol”

Wow this TRT stuff is starting to get out of hand. Personally I wouldn’t use it. I’m all for longevity, but I’m happy to grow old gracefully and within my own personal, physical boundaries.
I find this case pretty sad. He was the only competitor in his event, and it’s not that fame, fortune and endorsements were likely to follow…

Masters running is generally pretty funny. I'm 63 and I did some parkruns just for fun with my son. I run just under 20 minutes for 5k but my body is in a declining state and I can't run very much and when I do it's incredulously slow. But I enjoy it for what it is. My son is a friendly outgoing person and was joking around with a couple of 'the types' at the start. You know, race kit, vaporflys 55 to 65, serious serious like it's life and death. They treated him with deathly stares. Lighten up guys. If you're doing drugs to run a slightly faster slow 5k you have issues and may need some perspective therapy.

Couldn’t agree more…but judging by many of the posts on letsrun where posters agonise about the minutiae of training variables to hopefully improve their average race times, I suspect what you say about veteran racers pretty much applies to many in all age groups.

There are 3 types of very good masters runners.

1) Guys who used to run in college, took time off and started running again when they were older.

2) Guys who started running in there late 30's and early 40's who had latent talent that was never used and didn't tear up their joints in their 20's.

3) Decent athletic men who may dope to get an extra edge.

1 and 2 are usually pretty humble guys who I like to run with and have nice conversations. Third type are usually annoying and don't last in the groups very long.

I'm 67 and have been a runner since I was 15-years-old. I would be a lot better known within my work world than as a runner, but I'm still "hanging on" as you know it, as I love to compete, and that competition gives me motivation to stay in shape.

Not one of those types. Now 67yo and have a 50 year plus racing career. Still competed in track competition in England through mid 30s (where we have track leagues) and ran one of my fastest 3000m s/c times at 36. Then carried on road running for the last 30 years in the US.

Have been placed several times in USATF Masters and scraped into World top 20 times on occasion (had second fastest time in US for once distance a couple of years ago). Have still got some age group state records for 10k which has stood for close to 15 years.

I was never outstanding, but I do think you can hold a decent level throughout life if you have the desire.

Any athlete using a stimulent with the intent to artificially improve a perfomance metric is just admitting that they are not so good naturally on their own and can't handle the fact emotionally.

Exactly...he was a lone wolf competitor in a race walking event - what does that tell you? 🤔 It tells me there's more masters athletes using testosterone & other androgens than people realize.

And there's also Dehydroepiandrostone (DHEA) - known as the "poor man's TRT."

A Meta-analysis reviewing 42 different studies showed DHEA significantly increased testosterone levels - though the magnitude was seen higher with females:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A dose-response and meta-analysis of dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) supplementation on testosterone levels: perinatal prediction of randomized clinical trials - PubMed

DHEA supplementation is effective for increasing testosterone levels, although the magnitude varies among different subgroups. More study needed on pregnant women and miscarriage.

Link:pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33045358/

And here's the case of a 59 yr old cyclist who refused testing but consequently admitted to using DHEA:

masterstrack.blog

Suspended M55 cyclist Scott Gross says he took banned DHEA

@KenStoneMedia

In comments, USADA Doping Control Officer Laura Hahn wrote: "Athlete spoke with USADA rep and determined not to take test due to feeling he would test positive for vitamins he's taking with DHEA. He doesn't want to waste our...

Link:masterstrack.blog/2018/06/suspended-m5...

There are numerous brands of DHEA sold as a dietary supplement at health food stores, grocery stores & on-line for basically pennies on the dollar.

IMO, the availability & affordability of DHEA would make it very tempting to a lot of master athletes who are apprehensive about TRT.