Quigley bashing BTC

A bunch of truths in there that many on the message board have been pointing out about Jerry’s training for years

However, get ready for downvotes and hate because an attractive female dared to open her mouth and speak her mind.

I am not trying to bash CQ, but just ask a more general question: at what point is a professional coach supposed to just say, "Okay, your body cannot handle the work."

I mean, this isn't a college team. This isn't a coach who is being paid by CQ to make her better. If there is a NFL kicker who keeps injuring his ankle every time he trains, they aren't going to keep him on the roster so he can rest for extended periods of time and get paid. Maybe she wasn't getting paid? How does this work in an ideal world?

Also, is she attacking Jerry or Shalane?

Colleen needs to take some ownership. I remember listening to an interview with Schweizer and she said she and Shelby were always in the back on easy days and Colleen typically was at the front running faster. She also mentioned how Jerry had split the workout groups because she and Shelby could do harder workouts. Add in to this Colleen’s constant cross training and extra stuff she did. Also, Colleen chose to be in the group. No one forced her. I’m not defending Jerry and the training, but she can also have some accountability.

the people here don't like attractive females now? what about Valbymania?

Anyway, I don't like her, but she is 100% correct here.

Jerry stinks. especially on the injury front.

it speaks volumes that even the guy who he probably tailored all of his training to didn't stick around.

Quigley is dumb and entitled. She did the steeple because there was no competition but now her “comeback” won’t work as there’s much more depth

She still pushed through pain and injuries when she left BTC. All over her social media she's cross training while recovering from whatever her latest injury was.

She's shared all this before via various platforms. What's new? And when is she going to move on? 2020 is 4 years ago now.

I agree that training should be more tailored to feed the needs of the specific professional athlete.

But at the same time, doesn’t she owe everything to Bowerman for as far as she made it as a pro?

Spot on!

This sport is not a healthy endeavor. If you want to reach the top, then subjecting your body and mind to abuse is required and that abuse has downstream consequences. It's only at the end of your career or in your retirement that you begin to understand the toll. What elite athletes experience and endure is a far cry from what hobby joggers and age-group athletes do. While some local heroes work hard, their livelihood isn't on the line based on last week's 5K race or whether their Park Run times are progressing. We have always known about the physical toll after years of training. Today, athletes are far more aware of the mental health aspects and more are beginning to openly talk about it.

Quigley is not shedding any new light on Schumacher's methods. He has always been known for pushing people to new heights but also breaking athletes. That's just part of the sport and always has been. What teams and sponsors could be doing better is providing stronger physical and mental health resources to athletes. It could structure contracts in a way that eliminates reductions and provides some base level of financial security. Coaches need to be a bit more accommodating to those in their charge and tailor plans to an athlete's strengths and weaknesses. We expect this from collegiate coaches but give professional coaches a pass as if money should make a pro runner's body and mind bulletproof.

There is no need to downvote Quigley's comments. Personally, I am happy that she and others are opening talking about their experiences as pros. That will inform the next generation of American elites to take more responsibility for their careers and to seek training groups and contracts that are better in the long-term rather than just signing the most lucrative deal with the biggest sponsor. I also hope that younger and better informed athletes will ask harder questions, be more discerning, and make better choices to extend their professional lives and retire in a better place.

Nice dodge talking about the elephant in the room!

1) as someone else pointed out, this was ~4yrs ago now, why is she still going on about this?

2) I swear she posted this exact same thing on IG the other week? didnt we have a very similiar thread on this recently?

3) it feels like CQ has just woken up one morning and learnt she used to be a pro track athlete.

a) being asked to do what the group is, is not exactly a crazy thing when you're in a team, whether it be HS, college or pro
b) when holding a niggle, a Coach suggesting to see if you can warm up on it and if not then to call it a day is pretty standard advice
c) I find it very hard to believe a coach from one of the most successful groups in the sport (at the time) was telling elites to train through injuries, and they listened - is this not just a breakdown in communication between them?
d) "More mileage. More intensity. More high altitude training. More is more. If you survive you will be a champion" again, not exactly crazy
e) "If you don’t, well, there’s more women coming after you to take your place." also always true
f) "The only thing I got less of was attention from my coach as the injuries piled up." pretty standard to have less face time with the coach when you're out injured - what do you expect?

I'm not saying CQ and others didnt have to endure some less than ideal situations, I'm not some huge Jerry advocate, but the timing of this and constant moaning on social media to garner attention (especially from the same few athletes) is so boring.

CQ is obviously bummed about not going to Paris, she is reading her training logs and worked herself into a mood about something half a decade ago. This type of stuff should go in a diary, not an email blast

Much like many on this board, she’s a liberal kook who takes no ownerships but places blame on everyone else.

i don’t doubt the training was tough on her But she shoulda covered all them ground rules before signing w them and interrogating the program thoroughly.

honestly, I always thought she’d done better w Julian bc he was always more focused on lower mileage/ intervals. Jerry is a mileage whore. Quigley isn’t made to do high mileage.

truth be told quigley is more into self glamour than rolling up her sleeves and training to be elite.

She is gross now. She’s hard to look at or listen to

Why the downvotes?

She did the work, got injured a lot, and has taken years to recover from it, which is why she's still venting for what might have been. Failing to adjust his training to his athletes cost them a lot, gaining some of them some spectacular highs but burning most of them out. Jakob is well known for doing double thresholds at slow paces for his level, checking his lactate levels to make sure he is not killing his legs out there, and never running maximum speed outside of races so as to always leave more in the tank. The result has been steady improvement year after year and a very healthy career as distance runners go.

And he’s 23 years old. Ask him in another 7 years. You shouldn’t be “old and broken” at 23. Colleen is 31, apples to oranges.

People don't like attractive females that are entitled and blame others for their tough times. This "poor me" attitude, despite being a very attractive young female currently getting paid well by a Sponsor with the expectation that she won't be competing. Based on what I can tell, her only Olympic showing was under Jerry. Her relevant PBs were all during that timeframe as well.

More importantly, she could have found another coach if she didn't like the training. I'm not defending BTC as the best club, but they can structure the training however they like. At the end of the day, if runners don't like it, they leave. Seems that several others didn't like it, but I don't hear the level of crying from others.

"Taken years to recover from it"

Or maybe she hasn't run fast because she isn't willing to train hard anymore

That's one piece of info she left out from 2015 to 2020 - she actually RAN FAST. The training worked.

Yes, she commented on this in an IG post last month, and there was a thread on it. In her IG post last month, she wrote: “Working on a newsletter to share some thoughts after my disastrous, Olympic dream-crushing race that happened 10 days ago and where I go from here.” Looks like she released the newsletter, which went into more depth on her experience with BTC.

I agree with those saying that she needs to take more accountability, and it’s time to move on. I can understand sharing her experience publicly if the goal is to educate younger runners about the need to listen to their body and/or to encourage coaches to provide more tailored training to their athletes. But that’s not the sense I’m getting from what I’ve seen so far (I’d be interested in reading the full newsletter if anyone has it, to see what conclusions she made). It seems like she’s mostly venting and blaming others for the way her career has gone in recent years. If that’s what she’s doing, that’s not cool.

Seeing her comments about “more” and “less”, I can’t help pointing out that she had more success with BTC and less success without.

Which training group was she faster in though?