"So somebody sent me this. And here’s what I have to say. Take this s**t and throw it in the trash 🤣🤣🤣! Cause WE as 🇺🇸 the LAST people who should even open our mouths about any type of PED usage. Thats like Pablo accusing the Medellin family of pushing coke into America 🤣!"
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Kishane Thompson progression (from WA Website)
2017 11.17 Kingston (JAM) 30 MAR 2017 2018 10.89 Kingston (JAM) 22 MAR 2018 2019 10.59 Spanish Town (JAM) 26 FEB 2019 2020 10.56 National Stadium, Kingston (JAM) 06 MAR 2020 2022 10.21 National Stadium, Kingston (JAM) 07 MAY 2022 2023 9.85 Egret Stadium, Xiamen (CHN) 02 SEP 2023 2024 9.77
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"So somebody sent me this. And here’s what I have to say. Take this s**t and throw it in the trash 🤣🤣🤣! Cause WE as 🇺🇸 the LAST people who should even open our mouths about any type of PED usage. Thats like Pablo accusing the Medellin family of pushing coke into America 🤣!"
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Kishane Thompson progression (from WA Website)
2017 11.17 Kingston (JAM) 30 MAR 2017 2018 10.89 Kingston (JAM) 22 MAR 2018 2019 10.59 Spanish Town (JAM) 26 FEB 2019 2020 10.56 National Stadium, Kingston (JAM) 06 MAR 2020 2022 10.21 National Stadium, Kingston (JAM) 07 MAY 2022 2023 9.85 Egret Stadium, Xiamen (CHN) 02 SEP 2023 2024 9.77
That is mostly just the 3d shoulders. You need a first pic where his shoulders aren’t covered up and he is in a similar stride if you want to make a better case.
While some may find that striking, I find it obvious.
Nobody has run below 9.81 or 9.82, or even 9.84, cleanly.
Anything below 9.8 is a 100% giveaway, and that includes everybody.
I still believe that the absolute WR might be 9.9x-low: Lemaitre at 9.92 needed max allowable wind to do it; Smith at 9.93 needed a bit of wind and the altitude of Colorado Springs.
Once we get into the 9.8’s, we really see the users manifest, guys like Bailey and now Asinga, both 9.8-high.
I believe,as most sensible people do,that USADA are happy to try and cover up and failed US tests,and the government support them.
the us government can't get half their normal duties done correctly. if you think they have some type of super secret doping coverup program, you might need to lay off that ancient aliens show for a bit. the us government literally does not care, and has no concept of what even goes on in track and field. usada has an entire website (last i checked) documenting busts in american sports- from cycling to track and field to table tennis (no joke). i don't think the conspiracy theory exists that you have created in your mind.
Kishane is obviously juiced up but I'd doubt any of the very top American 100/200 guys (or even women) are clean. For Kerley and Lyles, they were once totally irrelevant at 100m so they didn't compete it frequently but suddenly become the top guys in the world at the distance--just as suspicious as Thompson.
Kishane is obviously juiced up but I'd doubt any of the very top American 100/200 guys (or even women) are clean. For Kerley and Lyles, they were once totally irrelevant at 100m so they didn't compete it frequently but suddenly become the top guys in the world at the distance--just as suspicious as Thompson.
I disagree with “just as suspicious”. With prodigies, there is an early sign. Noah and Fred were always exceptionally fast. Thompson’s progression is wayyyyy more suspicious than someone who as a young kid made junior national teams and always being among the fastest at their age level.
Kishane is obviously juiced up but I'd doubt any of the very top American 100/200 guys (or even women) are clean. For Kerley and Lyles, they were once totally irrelevant at 100m so they didn't compete it frequently but suddenly become the top guys in the world at the distance--just as suspicious as Thompson.
Noah ran 10.1 as a Junior in HS(2015), and won world U20s in the 100m in 2016, ran a windy 9.9 in 2017, and later got hurt otherwise he might've won worlds in the 200. 2018 ran 9.88 to win the US champs, 2019 ran 9.86, 2020 covid, 2021 had his issues with depression and the medication for it, 2022 was all in for the 200, 2023/2024 all in for both 100/200. So hard to say he was irrelevant in the 100m.
Kishane is obviously juiced up but I'd doubt any of the very top American 100/200 guys (or even women) are clean. For Kerley and Lyles, they were once totally irrelevant at 100m so they didn't compete it frequently but suddenly become the top guys in the world at the distance--just as suspicious as Thompson.
Outliers happen in all areas. It is just a question of statistical probability. In no areas of life will you have large numbers of people very close to the top. And when you do have the few at the top well outdistance the others, there are many possible reasons for it, not just doping.
Outliers happen in all areas. It is just a question of statistical probability. In no areas of life will you have large numbers of people very close to the top. And when you do have the few at the top well outdistance the others, there are many possible reasons for it, not just doping.
First of all, obviously there are not "large numbers of people" running, for example, sub-10.
Second, there are outliers, and there are outliers. Every single person who goes sub-10 is an outlier; sub-9.8 is an outlier of the outliers. 9.5 is just laughable.
Third, you are assuming what you set out to prove. We are talking about the performance of a clean population, and you have absolutely no way of convincing anybody that guys below 9.8 are clean. Take that population, and do some stats on it.
Fourth, you are assuming a normal distribution among guys who are insanely fast, say sub-10.1--which is to say, you are assuming a normal distribution in a sub-population, in a group that is already elite, at the very farthest reaches of the normal distribution of the whole population. There is no normality in the tail.
Do some stats on the various populations pre-9.93 Smith and get back to me.
Yes tracks and spikes make a difference, but not as much as you would think, maybe 0.10, maybe up to 0.15 for the most powerful sprinters. NONE of the pre-9.93 best sprinters were the most powerful sprinters, they were all guys who were leaner and thinner. Tack that 0.10 to 0.15 onto guys who might go 9.9x-low with exceptional conditions, and you are at just above 9.80.
Anything below that is juiced. I have yet to see a 9.80-and-below guy who I am not convinced is using. That is not to say that they should all have been banned, maybe, just maybe, some of the stuff they were doing was legal when they were doing it, including now. If you test negative now, effectively what you are doing is "legal". You would have to make an admission, or there would have to be overwhelming other evidence, that you ingested a banned substance--and even that might not be enough.
So in a sense, these guys who are getting tested are legal at the time at which the tests were done.
Outliers happen in all areas. It is just a question of statistical probability. In no areas of life will you have large numbers of people very close to the top. And when you do have the few at the top well outdistance the others, there are many possible reasons for it, not just doping.
First of all, obviously there are not "large numbers of people" running, for example, sub-10.
Second, there are outliers, and there are outliers. Every single person who goes sub-10 is an outlier; sub-9.8 is an outlier of the outliers. 9.5 is just laughable.
Third, you are assuming what you set out to prove. We are talking about the performance of a clean population, and you have absolutely no way of convincing anybody that guys below 9.8 are clean. Take that population, and do some stats on it.
Fourth, you are assuming a normal distribution among guys who are insanely fast, say sub-10.1--which is to say, you are assuming a normal distribution in a sub-population, in a group that is already elite, at the very farthest reaches of the normal distribution of the whole population. There is no normality in the tail.
Do some stats on the various populations pre-9.93 Smith and get back to me.
Yes tracks and spikes make a difference, but not as much as you would think, maybe 0.10, maybe up to 0.15 for the most powerful sprinters. NONE of the pre-9.93 best sprinters were the most powerful sprinters, they were all guys who were leaner and thinner. Tack that 0.10 to 0.15 onto guys who might go 9.9x-low with exceptional conditions, and you are at just above 9.80.
Anything below that is juiced. I have yet to see a 9.80-and-below guy who I am not convinced is using. That is not to say that they should all have been banned, maybe, just maybe, some of the stuff they were doing was legal when they were doing it, including now. If you test negative now, effectively what you are doing is "legal". You would have to make an admission, or there would have to be overwhelming other evidence, that you ingested a banned substance--and even that might not be enough.
So in a sense, these guys who are getting tested are legal at the time at which the tests were done.
9.5 is when you get a generational talent. Name me one other sprinter with the speed mechanics of Bolt at his frame? Thank you. Learn the sport.