I had posted in the Forum that he should focus exclusively on the 5000. They read my post on the air and said he should of course run both the 1500 and the 5000. I'm curious if they still feel that way. Teare ran poorly in both events and said he was tired in the 5000 due to running the 1500 earlier in the week.
Jonathan may have agreed with them. I don't remember. He certainly did not take my side of the argument.
Honestly I was hoping he wouldn"t make the final in the 15 cause he needed that energy. Especially mentally after racing hard 3 times and then not being close to the team must feel ass.
Honestly I was hoping he wouldn"t make the final in the 15 cause he needed that energy. Especially mentally after racing hard 3 times and then not being close to the team must feel ass.
I felt the same way. In addition to not doubling, Teare needs to get better at racing in the heat. CJ Albertson trained on a treadmill in front of heat lamps. Clayton Young and Connor Mantz spent time in a sauna. Maybe Teare should do these things on the regular.
I had posted in the Forum that he should focus exclusively on the 5000. They read my post on the air and said he should of course run both the 1500 and the 5000. I'm curious if they still feel that way. Teare ran poorly in both events and said he was tired in the 5000 due to running the 1500 earlier in the week.
Jonathan may have agreed with them. I don't remember. He certainly did not take my side of the argument.
Teare was 32-seconds away from making the team in the 5000. He was 3.7 seconds away from making the team in the 1500.
I have no idea why you think "If only he'd gone all in on the 5k, he would have made it."
He was clearly off his game in both races. His 5000 abomination had little to do being "tired" from the 1500 that was run a week earlier. If i was him, I'd immmediately get a full blook panel done to see if he's anemic, has Covid, or mono or something else going on as it's hard to explain how bad he was.
Both races were pretty much ideal for him - fairly fast, pseudo time-trials and he was a total non-factor. Our logic was simple, "He's unlikely to make either team so two cracks at it are better than one."
Let's say if Teare runs just the 5000 and goes all in on one event, he has a 40% chance to make it. But if he doubles he has a 25% chance in both the 1500 and 5000. The math says it's better to double as then 43.75% of the time he'd make the team (1-(.75*.75)).
I had posted in the Forum that he should focus exclusively on the 5000. They read my post on the air and said he should of course run both the 1500 and the 5000. I'm curious if they still feel that way. Teare ran poorly in both events and said he was tired in the 5000 due to running the 1500 earlier in the week.
Jonathan may have agreed with them. I don't remember. He certainly did not take my side of the argument.
Teare was 32-seconds away from making the team in the 5000. He was 3.7 seconds away from making the team in the 1500.
I have no idea why you think "If only he'd gone all in on the 5k, he would have made it."
He was clearly off his game in both races. His 5000 abomination had little to do being "tired" from the 1500 that was run a week earlier. If i was him, I'd immmediately get a full blook panel done to see if he's anemic, has Covid, or mono or something else going on as it's hard to explain how bad he was.
Both races were pretty much ideal for him - fairly fast, pseudo time-trials and he was a total non-factor. Our logic was simple, "He's unlikely to make either team so two cracks at it are better than one."
Let's say if Teare runs just the 5000 and goes all in on one event, he has a 40% chance to make it. But if he doubles he has a 25% chance in both the 1500 and 5000. The math says it's better to double as then 43.75% of the time he'd make the team (1-(.75*.75)).
Your logic totally abandons the fatigue that sets in when running rounds in two events as if Teare would be fresh in both finals. So your logic fails right out of the gate.
His chances were more like 20% fresh in the 1500m and 50% if fresh in the 5000m.
You're right that it was an exceptionally bad race for him and there could be another explanation, but it could also just be plain old fatigue.
I still think Teare made the right decision. If you told me that Nuguse was going to take the pace in the 1500 final and that it would take 3:31 to make the team, I would have said that is a perfect race for Teare, who, let's remember, entered the meet with a 3:32.16 pb (faster than Kessler). He did not run well at the Trials and the 1500 did not help his 5000 chances. But running the 1500 is not why he failed to make the 5000 team.
I think Kessler is just a fitter athlete than Teare right now (he had no problems doubling back from the 1500) and Teare underperformed for reasons I suspect he is still trying to figure out.
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When Liam Murphy and some other college rando outkicked Cooper in the 1500 semi it underscored a simple but important point: Cooper never had a chance at making the team in the 1500. He doesn't have the wheels. The three rounds did tire him ahead of the 5k (he said so and I believe him). huge mistake.
When I saw those college kids in the semis fly past him with ease on the straightaway when he looked like he was stressing, I knew he had no chance in the 1500m. Had it been a sit and kick race we might've seen Strand or Murphy nab a third place spot.
Teare was 32-seconds away from making the team in the 5000. He was 3.7 seconds away from making the team in the 1500.
I have no idea why you think "If only he'd gone all in on the 5k, he would have made it."
He was clearly off his game in both races. His 5000 abomination had little to do being "tired" from the 1500 that was run a week earlier. If i was him, I'd immmediately get a full blook panel done to see if he's anemic, has Covid, or mono or something else going on as it's hard to explain how bad he was.
Both races were pretty much ideal for him - fairly fast, pseudo time-trials and he was a total non-factor. Our logic was simple, "He's unlikely to make either team so two cracks at it are better than one."
Let's say if Teare runs just the 5000 and goes all in on one event, he has a 40% chance to make it. But if he doubles he has a 25% chance in both the 1500 and 5000. The math says it's better to double as then 43.75% of the time he'd make the team (1-(.75*.75)).
Your logic totally abandons the fatigue that sets in when running rounds in two events as if Teare would be fresh in both finals. So your logic fails right out of the gate.
His chances were more like 20% fresh in the 1500m and 50% if fresh in the 5000m.
You're right that it was an exceptionally bad race for him and there could be another explanation, but it could also just be plain old fatigue.
Running the double, his chances were 0.1 percent in the 1500 and 0.1 percent in the 5000. If he could rerun the 5000 fresh, I believe his chances would be at least 5 to 10 percent. Ultimately he needs to focus on the 5k and get much better at running in the heat.
I had posted in the Forum that he should focus exclusively on the 5000. They read my post on the air and said he should of course run both the 1500 and the 5000. I'm curious if they still feel that way. Teare ran poorly in both events and said he was tired in the 5000 due to running the 1500 earlier in the week.
Jonathan may have agreed with them. I don't remember. He certainly did not take my side of the argument.
Teare was 32-seconds away from making the team in the 5000. He was 3.7 seconds away from making the team in the 1500.
I have no idea why you think "If only he'd gone all in on the 5k, he would have made it."
He was clearly off his game in both races. His 5000 abomination had little to do being "tired" from the 1500 that was run a week earlier. If i was him, I'd immmediately get a full blook panel done to see if he's anemic, has Covid, or mono or something else going on as it's hard to explain how bad he was.
Both races were pretty much ideal for him - fairly fast, pseudo time-trials and he was a total non-factor. Our logic was simple, "He's unlikely to make either team so two cracks at it are better than one."
Let's say if Teare runs just the 5000 and goes all in on one event, he has a 40% chance to make it. But if he doubles he has a 25% chance in both the 1500 and 5000. The math says it's better to double as then 43.75% of the time he'd make the team (1-(.75*.75)).
Rojo, maybe teare should've tripled (1500, 5000, 10000) or quadrupled with the steeplechase. How does that math work out?
Fisher was the only guy who doubled and had success. He is a monster.
In the 5k those that concentrated on that one event gave themselves a shot. Look at the results.
Those that ran the 10k or the 1500m prior were out of it.
Some people think it is no big deal to double. Simply- it is.
Historically, very few have had success in doing such. History repeats itself.
Think about doubling in the 10k and 5k and having 20,000m of racing in your legs. Think about doubling in the 1500m and 5k and having 9500m in your legs. Then look back at the times ran and the effort it took.
Analysts of our sport need to remember this - especially if they have never attempted doing a double and that double at the US Olympic Trials level of talent.
His chances were more like 20% fresh in the 1500m and 50% if fresh in the 5000m.
You're right that it was an exceptionally bad race for him and there could be another explanation, but it could also just be plain old fatigue.
Ok so that means he'd have a 36% chance if he does both. Considering in his heart, he wants to be a 1500 guy, I think it was wise for him to do it. Hell he left the BTC as Jerry wanted to make him a 5000 guy and he wanted to stay inn the 1500.
With Fisher and Mu and all of these other runners, all I hear is everyone say they need to be happy. Trying the 1500 made him happy. Now he may realize what Jerry told him was true. Go for the 5000. He's not fast enough to run 3:30 in the 1500.
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When I saw those college kids in the semis fly past him with ease on the straightaway when he looked like he was stressing, I knew he had no chance in the 1500m. Had it been a sit and kick race we might've seen Strand or Murphy nab a third place spot.
Well by that logic, then did you also think Blanks had no shot in the5000 final as everyone sprinted by him in the semis of the 5000 as well? It's easy to do revisionist history after the fact.
I had posted in the Forum that he should focus exclusively on the 5000. They read my post on the air and said he should of course run both the 1500 and the 5000. I'm curious if they still feel that way. Teare ran poorly in both events and said he was tired in the 5000 due to running the 1500 earlier in the week.
Jonathan may have agreed with them. I don't remember. He certainly did not take my side of the argument.
So your argument is more important than theirs? Cute.
When Liam Murphy and some other college rando outkicked Cooper in the 1500 semi it underscored a simple but important point: Cooper never had a chance at making the team in the 1500. He doesn't have the wheels. The three rounds did tire him ahead of the 5k (he said so and I believe him). huge mistake.
Idk man, Cooper Teare winning USAs in the 1500 in 2022 in a 3:45 race showed he had some wheels. I know that field was not nearly as strong as this one but the dude did win this race just two years ago.
I do think moving forward it makes sense for him to focus on the 5k, but he seems to enjoy the 1500 more.
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When Liam Murphy and some other college rando outkicked Cooper in the 1500 semi it underscored a simple but important point: Cooper never had a chance at making the team in the 1500. He doesn't have the wheels. The three rounds did tire him ahead of the 5k (he said so and I believe him). huge mistake.
Idk man, Cooper Teare winning USAs in the 1500 in 2022 in a 3:45 race showed he had some wheels. I know that field was not nearly as strong as this one but the dude did win this race just two years ago.
I do think moving forward it makes sense for him to focus on the 5k, but he seems to enjoy the 1500 more.
The U.S. 1500 scene has changed dramatically since 2022. To get third this year you'd have had to beat a runner who is now a 1:43 guy. To place second you'd have had to beat a 3:43 mile guy.
Cooper's wheels were good enough to make the 1500 finals but placing top three was not in the cards. In the 5000, by contrast, he had a fighting chance.... at least on a good day. He's a 12:54 guy after all.
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I had posted in the Forum that he should focus exclusively on the 5000. They read my post on the air and said he should of course run both the 1500 and the 5000. I'm curious if they still feel that way. Teare ran poorly in both events and said he was tired in the 5000 due to running the 1500 earlier in the week.
Jonathan may have agreed with them. I don't remember. He certainly did not take my side of the argument.
So your argument is more important than theirs? Cute.
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They are entitled to their views of course. But given Teare's performances at the Trials I think i was right.
Hope I don't sound like a hater. I have nothing but love for wejo, rojo, and Jonathan. Love the site. Just think they got this one wrong.
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His chances were more like 20% fresh in the 1500m and 50% if fresh in the 5000m.
You're right that it was an exceptionally bad race for him and there could be another explanation, but it could also just be plain old fatigue.
Ok so that means he'd have a 36% chance if he does both. Considering in his hear, he wants to be a 1500 guy, I think it was wise for him to do it.
No it does not mean that because, by definition, running both means that he would NOT be fresh for the 5000. That said, i agree with your take that something was off with him for the entire week and it would not have mattered.