Can someone PLEASE hold a real HS nationals meet

Brooks PR already does this. If you want to get invited to brooks just know that times matter a lot. So going to meets like Arcadia and Hoka are very important.

Brooks is about as close as youll get to that. and anyway, dont expect the other shoe companies to cooperate with your purist wishes. learn how to enjoy drinking from a firehose of "national championships" over the course of half a week and how to read which races at which meets are the significant ones. theres enough talent to go around.

Previous years have been more balanced. This year New Balance was by far the superior meet, to the point where most of the Nike winners would not have been All-American at New Balance, and most Adidas winners would not have qualified for their respective state meet. Hope it continues to trend in this direction and one meet emerges dominant.

Brooks should declare itself the national championship as well then, what’s one more

Another complaint: the seeding at New Balance has been crap. Girls 800m, first and 2nd were from a slow section. Boys 800 had 6 guys sub-1:50, two in each of the last 3 sections. Boys 4x400, three of the top 4 teams were in different sections. Etc, etc. Can we get the fast folks in the hot heat, please?

It's too bad that we don't have a strong organization like, I don't know, a national track and field federation that holds a true national championship each year. One with gravitas that gathers the top 8 high school kids in each event and runs a two day "All Finals!" meet. Maybe one day in the future, such an organization will exist?

I'm gonna assume you didn't know this, but NBNO is self-seeded

When you register, you enter your SB or the result you would like to use, and they use that as your time. The seeding is not a choice, it's just an ordered list.

Winsdor (3rd in the 4x4), did not have a fast seed time, because most of their relay doubled (400, 400h, or 200) at State.

Thats not in New Balance's control

Part of the reason I don't encourage the kids I coach to go to any of those meets. Not much point to sit through 80 kids throwing to be the last flight and sit for 4 hours. New Balance just had a few kids throw 80' in Javelin for the championship division. Why is the world would a coach/parent even sign their kid up?

I will be hosting a national high school meet this Saturday (June 22). It will be held in my basement and no spectators are allowed to come. It will go down in history as the greatest track meet of all time and will feature the fastest high school runners such as Jakob Ingebrigsten and Leo Young.

sounds like a pretty strange fantasy but I won't yuck your yum

Brooks doesn't have any field events and they didn't even run the 200m this year, and why would they, they don't make shoes for the field events and I doubt they sell many of their sprint spikes. These shoe companies are only in it for themselves, they could care less about the sport of track and field. What they are doing to these kids and parents tricking them into traveling all over the country for a backpack (or whatever) and a medal is terrible.

This has been my response to this kind of thread every year it comes up. If only we had such an organization, oh well.

Brooks pays for everything.

Be thankful the meet is no longer in some random hole in the wall Aggie Stadium in sleepy Greensboro NC where it’s 100 degrees as soon as the sun rises. There was nowhere to hide when you had to wait for your event except under the bleachers. I thought I was going to pass out just watching the races let alone the poor distance runners out on that smoking hot track. A skinny fast little girl from Alaska was racing in the 3200 and looked like she was going to melt flat into the track. Yep, little Allie O! Felt so bad for her. those meets back then were horrible and not fun to be part of as a national level athlete. Assuming there’re somewhat above that now.

Honestly for 90% of the competitors, this meet HURTS them. If you are a senior that's not in the top 30 nationally, then you are better off getting ready for college XC. If you are a junior not in the top 30, you should be getting ready for senior year of XC.

Same with non-distance athletes, just start getting ready for next year. A lot of sprinters will now start summer track next week too. It's insane.

New Balance, Adidas, Nike, etc don't care who is the fastest, they don't care about setting up good races. THEY CARE ABOUT MAKING MONEY OFF OF NAIVE PARENTS who think these meets will get their 4:23 milers to the Olympics.

NBNO seeded by personal bests this year -- do you have a better idea?

Nike charges $61 to register. You receive a pretty nice backpack. I seriously doubt they’re making much money on it. For the kids it’s a great opportunity to run in an amazing environment.

Nike makes out very nicely thank you. They charge $33 per ticket per day to watch. It was $55 per entry to register, plus fees was like $120 for two events (still only one backpack though). And then the merch… every kid needs ANOTHER track meet hoodie right? $90!!! Naive parents are Nike’s cash cows. Several hundreds per family in Nike’s coffers.

Spoken like a true XC person - no reason why sprinters and jumpers - you know the other areas of Track and Field - need to stop competing for the summer (if there were meets). The weather is fine in many parts of the country still, just like in Europe.

But we have to kowtow to the distance people who run the sport (like Nike) who want to shut down meets, just so the distance people can get ready for Cross. Frankly for my event (and others) Cross has absolutely no relevance, but we are held hostage by it. HS coaches can't coach in the summer, College coaches as well - little wonder why kids choose to compete for summer clubs, then the HS coaches complain that their athletes are being stolen. It is why there is so little depth in Throws in this country, compared to rest of the world, and we are falling behind in many of the jumps as well these days.

We had a handful of kids try out for a National team (World U20) this week. Looked at the Canadian list for their U20 trials in a couple of weeks - dozens per event, and they have other meets as well.. This is a country 1/10th our size. Then people turn around and say that the pseudo HS championships (Brooks, Nike, NB, Adidas) are not true championships - geez, you think.?!. USATF is the organization that should be putting on a national meet, even for HS athletes, that would have meaning - would require registration - but then it takes the shoes companies out of the equation (as they should be). But the USATF is in bed with Nike (why the U20 meet was affiliated with the Nike meet), since the executive is generally corrupt. If they knew how to market the sport, there would be many other sponsors on board - they (or Max anyway) don't, just want to line their pockets with Nike money.