Such a strange race for them to all go out in 3:20 waiting for someone to make a move then a mad dash for the last 2k. Was fun to watch but feel bad for some of the other guys who had this as one of their big shots at a fast time.
Such a strange race for them to all go out in 3:20 waiting for someone to make a move then a mad dash for the last 2k. Was fun to watch but feel bad for some of the other guys who had this as one of their big shots at a fast time.
Like some of the top college times nowadays, I don’t believe this for a second. Is there ANY out of competition drug testing, or even in competition?
Such a strange race for them to all go out in 3:20 waiting for someone to make a move then a mad dash for the last 2k. Was fun to watch but feel bad for some of the other guys who had this as one of their big shots at a fast time.
Like some of the top college times nowadays, I don’t believe this for a second. Is there ANY out of competition drug testing, or even in competition?
Such a strange race for them to all go out in 3:20 waiting for someone to make a move then a mad dash for the last 2k. Was fun to watch but feel bad for some of the other guys who had this as one of their big shots at a fast time.
Like some of the top college times nowadays, I don’t believe this for a second. Is there ANY out of competition drug testing, or even in competition?
Lol, 8:48 to 8:31 in just over a year
If he was North African or Kenyan the board would be all over him, just like Shane Cohen. Not just that he won or the time he ran, but the way he ran
Why is Ryan Pajak listed as Simi Valley, CA? He just graduated from Ringgold HS near Pittsburgh and committed to Notre Dame. I could see him listed as South Bend, IN if he decided to start summer classes early, but Simi Valley?
8:31 is a sensational time, just two seconds off Verzbicas's record, but a 4:06 second mile is beyond category for a high schooler, a time that would have been top ten in the nation many times in the 1990s. That certainly indicates that he can destroy the record with a more reasonable first mile.
If he was North African or Kenyan the board would be all over him, just like Shane Cohen. Not just that he won or the time he ran, but the way he ran
you do know that when kids grow up they tend to get faster just from getting bigger and stronger physically, right?
You proved the other guy’s point. If a non-American did that we wouldn’t say “they get faster as they get bigger and stronger.” We’d say “they are doping.”
you do know that when kids grow up they tend to get faster just from getting bigger and stronger physically, right?
You proved the other guy’s point. If a non-American did that we wouldn’t say “they get faster as they get bigger and stronger.” We’d say “they are doping.”
Because an 18yo East African making a jump this big is really a 23yo that stopped growing years ago.
you do know that when kids grow up they tend to get faster just from getting bigger and stronger physically, right?
You proved the other guy’s point. If a non-American did that we wouldn’t say “they get faster as they get bigger and stronger.” We’d say “they are doping.”
Or Scottish / Norwegian. If they're Kenyans or Ethiopians especially they'd be accused a ton
I have no idea if he is (or others are) doping, but there is a culture of PED usage in high level HS football and a bit less in sprinting. So why do we think distance running is 100% clean? Hell, even look at Wiley who shattered records her senior year
You proved the other guy’s point. If a non-American did that we wouldn’t say “they get faster as they get bigger and stronger.” We’d say “they are doping.”
Or Scottish / Norwegian. If they're Kenyans or Ethiopians especially they'd be accused a ton
I have no idea if he is (or others are) doping, but there is a culture of PED usage in high level HS football and a bit less in sprinting. So why do we think distance running is 100% clean? Hell, even look at Wiley who shattered records her senior year
I'm based in a neighboring town and have kids who compete against Butler, so have seen his progression up close. Basically, the story is that he's only been focused on running for about 3 years. He was previously a swimmer and didn't fully commit to running until 9th or 10th grade, so he's a bit earlier on the development curve compared to most other kids in the 8:3X territory. He ran behind CJ Singleton (recent steeple all-american at ND) his frosh and soph years, and towards the end of his soph xc season, he started to be only a few seconds behind CJ - which is when most people around here first took note of him. That was only about 30 months ago, so I think he has a LOT of development left. It should also be noted that he seems to be an incredibly kind kid who is happy to spend time chatting with admiring younger runners at races.
I was much, much slower - this was almost 40 years ago - than these HS runners, but 18 seconds improvement in one year over 2 mile/3200 is nothing. I never ran before HS but my progression was 11:05 frosh-10:49 soph-9:56 junior-9:20 two mile and all-state senior year. My big drugs were wheat germ pills and bee pollen. Improvement came with an increase in mileage and a better sense of who I was and what I wanted to do in track. Maturity. I ran 60-65 mpw my senior year. There were 2 HS runners IN THE US that broke 9 that year. Barely. Yes, we had a cinder track. I walked on at Notre Dame (Irish have their best recruiting class ever, including Griffith! We also had a cinder track at Notre Dame.) and upped my mileage to 80 mpw with more intensity by my college senior year and ran 14:18. That was the best 5k time at ND that year. Times have changed... and gotten much faster. These runners have better tech, are training like college runners, and know all the times, every week, of all their competition. I think running 2-3 of these end of the year invitiationals per WEEK is too much and hope the runners have a summer of nice slow base work.