Patrick Reaves went 2:17 off of a 4:35 mile. Local OTQ guy near me ran 2:17 pre super shoes with a 15:19 5k PB. Never broke 4:30. There are people > 4:30. Not the norm but absolute slowest = mid-4:30s & a crazy amount of strength.
Patrick Reaves went 2:17 off of a 4:35 mile. Local OTQ guy near me ran 2:17 pre super shoes with a 15:19 5k PB. Never broke 4:30. There are people > 4:30. Not the norm but absolute slowest = mid-4:30s & a crazy amount of strength.
I don’t doubt you at all but it would be interesting to know the gap between the mile PR and the sub-2:20. In most cases these are guys who knew for a long time that their future wasn’t in the mile. Had they devoted that time and energy to 1500m/mile training they might have brought it down to ~4:10.
What is the minimum mile speed needed for a sub 2:20 marathon? 4:10?
Roughly I'd try to get a good estimate like this:
For a 2:19:59 probably you will need at least the ability to run ~67-67:30ish half.
For this you need at least 31:00ish 10k.
For this at least 15:00ish 5k.
For this at least 8:45ish 3k.
For this at least ~4:25-30 mile.
So I'd go with +/- sub 4:30 ability.
Yeah this sounds reasonable. Also, consider the mile a 2:20 guy can run when in 2:20 shape vs what they can run if they train for a 5k. I lost a mile race to a sub 2:20 guy once, they ran like 4:15 to my 4:17. But they had spent two months doing track work to get there. If we raced a mile again while they were in 2:20 shape, they would have struggled from the gun.
Patrick Reaves went 2:17 off of a 4:35 mile. Local OTQ guy near me ran 2:17 pre super shoes with a 15:19 5k PB. Never broke 4:30. There are people > 4:30. Not the norm but absolute slowest = mid-4:30s & a crazy amount of strength.
I don’t doubt you at all but it would be interesting to know the gap between the mile PR and the sub-2:20. In most cases these are guys who knew for a long time that their future wasn’t in the mile. Had they devoted that time and energy to 1500m/mile training they might have brought it down to ~4:10.
I don't know Patrick personally but I read a blog a while back that basically said he runs ~10 miles every day. He did 70-80 miles/week, staying healthy the whole time, for a decade. I'm sure he probably could've run a faster mile. But if you've run 4:10 or faster you should be thinking about something much faster than 2:20 imo. Anybody in the 4:20s or low-4:30s can try to develop the strength for sub-2:20. 4:10 & you're playing with different numbers.
Canova said on a recent podcast that a 30:00 10k runner should be able to run a 2:12 if they train right (140+ MPW for 10+ years). I don’t necessarily believe it but the point is you don’t need much speed if you train very specifically
I don’t doubt you at all but it would be interesting to know the gap between the mile PR and the sub-2:20. In most cases these are guys who knew for a long time that their future wasn’t in the mile. Had they devoted that time and energy to 1500m/mile training they might have brought it down to ~4:10.
I don't know Patrick personally but I read a blog a while back that basically said he runs ~10 miles every day. He did 70-80 miles/week, staying healthy the whole time, for a decade. I'm sure he probably could've run a faster mile. But if you've run 4:10 or faster you should be thinking about something much faster than 2:20 imo. Anybody in the 4:20s or low-4:30s can try to develop the strength for sub-2:20. 4:10 & you're playing with different numbers.
I was the opposite. Ran 4:20 for a mile and 2:47 for the marathon (virtually perfect even halves on a flat course). I don't think there is anyone in the world that could have coached me to break 2:40.