That race reminded me actually why Jakob is unbeatable in championship 5000s. If a 3000 goes 'tactical', bet on the 1500 man. Same thing in the 5000.
That race reminded me actually why Jakob is unbeatable in championship 5000s. If a 3000 goes 'tactical', bet on the 1500 man. Same thing in the 5000.
Terrible tactics by Narve - but he said after the race that when he was in this kind of shape, it did not matter much.
Probably lost 2 seconds trying to get a position and passing in lane 3/4
Narve didn't look good a few weeks ago finishing back in the pack in a 1500. But a DL win is a DL win. Looks to be rounding into shape.
I think he’s displaying some good strength which bodes well for the rounds.
according to another thread, Gebrhiwet could run 2000m in 5:08, these guys start running this race, and Hagos still beats them by 5 seconds, with a ~55s kick.
Not the same league at all.
Last 400 53:9. He was number 10 at 2600 m. Terrible tactics.
Yeah I mean Hagos has all time 5k/10k fitness right now so that’s not a surprise
I’d love to see an event set up where Jakob, Hagos, and Yomif are paced at 2:31 per kilometer and see if any of them could close well enough to challenge the 12:30 barrier
The reason he didn't look good, is because he was running with one shoe on, the other barefoot. Lost a shoe somewhere in the race.
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Nordas lost a shoe early on, maybe by 200m, and still ran 3:34.86! They say that when people like Nordas are running 3:29, the shoes must make a huge difference. This guy ran 3:34 with one shoe on. Running with two conventional spikes would surely be at least 1-2 seconds per lap, right? Maybe the new spikes don't matter that much.
There are a few good shots of him running without his left shoe in this video, and you can see it well when he is walking around after finishing.
Ingy was unbeatable, because the field was weak when he won last year. No Barega, no Chep.
winning a DL race does not equate to a DL champ
Nordas’ comments are fantastic:
“- There was fierce competition here. Did you believe in victory beforehand? asks NRK Nordås.
- Yes actually. It sounds "cocky", but at least when it was as tactical as it was. I felt extremely light. The first half passed in maybe 3.50 and it feels like jogging. And then I make some bad tactical assessments, but when you are in so much better shape than the others, you can allow yourself some tactical blunders.
Now I see the chances of a medal in the 5000 as greater. Not because I am better trained, but because there are more tactics at 1500 metres. There is more that can go wrong in tactical races. At 5,000, it is more likely that the best runner will win. A little more predictable, says Nordås.“
Kejelcha would like a word. Plenty of tactics in a 5,000 nowadays.
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Nordas’ comments are fantastic:
“- There was fierce competition here. Did you believe in victory beforehand? asks NRK Nordås.
- Yes actually. It sounds "cocky", but at least when it was as tactical as it was. I felt extremely light. The first half passed in maybe 3.50 and it feels like jogging. And then I make some bad tactical assessments, but when you are in so much better shape than the others, you can allow yourself some tactical blunders.Now I see the chances of a medal in the 5000 as greater. Not because I am better trained, but because there are more tactics at 1500 metres. There is more that can go wrong in tactical races. At 5,000, it is more likely that the best runner will win. A little more predictable, says Nordås.“
Kejelcha would like a word. Plenty of tactics in a 5,000 nowadays.
What an embarrassing photo
Is video of the race available? I haven't found it.
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Gjert is from Båtsfjord, Norway, north the Arctic Circle and nearly as far north as Point Barrow, Alaska. One might think that a DEI bigot such as yourself would accept him for the this rare geographic diversity his mentioning brings.
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Is video of the race available? I haven't found it.
Whole meet is up on YouTube but you might have to use a VPN to access it.
Having watched that entire Ingebrigtsen family series long ago - it was pretty clear to me (as a budding psychologist) that what Gjert did with his boys ( and tried to do with Ingrid) is to be a COACH first and a father second. A father can can choose a lot of different demeanors towards his children - a coach basically has one - to cajole coerce prod encourage and berate your runners to be the very best they can possibly be. To kick their ass until they do the work that makes them tough hard strong and ustoppable. Some of the boys (Martin and Kristoffer) opted out - which says a lot about the family in that they didn't seem to penalize those boys for those choices - just a bit of disappointment on Gjert's part I think. And in the end even
Kristoffer came around to being a runner on his own terms - and still using his father's roadmap to do it. And of course some of the boys (Jakob Henrik Filip) signed up almost completely to Gjert as coach instead of Gjert as father.
In the end there is always a price to be paid for life choices - and the one the Ingebrigtsen's paid was that Gjert as a father didn't really exist much - there was only Gjert the coach. And of course attempting to deal with a girl in the same hard way that he dealt with his boys didn't work out so well.
But in the end I give Gjert mad props for what he accomplished with his kids. I don't think either Filip nor Henrik have a great deal of talent yet he created 3 world class runners out of 5 boys using techniques virtually no one else ever tried nor tested. Marius Bakken also deserves huge props for creating something a bit unorthodox that Gjert could grab onto and tweak until it produced the results they all dreamed of.
But it was always Gjert who had the most faith, stubbornness and belief in both himself and his family.
People always want to be the best, the fastest, the strongest - but then when the bill comes due (Ingrid and all her drama) they never like the costs that must be paid in the end. Nardas' success under Gjert proves that it was Gjert as coach that created the Ingebrigtsen boys from almost raw clay. Without him Jabob Filip and Henrik would be low level office drones sitting in a cubicle most days (or working at McDonald's after seeing Jakob's diet haha) instead of world famous athletes.
The boys did the work - but Gjert is the one who created all that from nothing more than brains and determination and faith in himself and his family.
It will be very interesting to see what William does.
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Having watched that entire Ingebrigtsen family series long ago - it was pretty clear to me (as a budding psychologist) that what Gjert did with his boys ( and tried to do with Ingrid) is to be a COACH first and a father second. A father can can choose a lot of different demeanors towards his children - a coach basically has one - to cajole coerce prod encourage and berate your runners to be the very best they can possibly be. To kick their ass until they do the work that makes them tough hard strong and ustoppable. Some of the boys (Martin and Kristoffer) opted out - which says a lot about the family in that they didn't seem to penalize those boys for those choices - just a bit of disappointment on Gjert's part I think. And in the end even
Kristoffer came around to being a runner on his own terms - and still using his father's roadmap to do it. And of course some of the boys (Jakob Henrik Filip) signed up almost completely to Gjert as coach instead of Gjert as father.In the end there is always a price to be paid for life choices - and the one the Ingebrigtsen's paid was that Gjert as a father didn't really exist much - there was only Gjert the coach. And of course attempting to deal with a girl in the same hard way that he dealt with his boys didn't work out so well.
But in the end I give Gjert mad props for what he accomplished with his kids. I don't think either Filip nor Henrik have a great deal of talent yet he created 3 world class runners out of 5 boys using techniques virtually no one else ever tried nor tested. Marius Bakken also deserves huge props for creating something a bit unorthodox that Gjert could grab onto and tweak until it produced the results they all dreamed of.
But it was always Gjert who had the most faith, stubbornness and belief in both himself and his family.
People always want to be the best, the fastest, the strongest - but then when the bill comes due (Ingrid and all her drama) they never like the costs that must be paid in the end. Nardas' success under Gjert proves that it was Gjert as coach that created the Ingebrigtsen boys from almost raw clay. Without him Jabob Filip and Henrik would be low level office drones sitting in a cubicle most days (or working at McDonald's after seeing Jakob's diet haha) instead of world famous athletes.
The boys did the work - but Gjert is the one who created all that from nothing more than brains and determination and faith in himself and his family.
It will be very interesting to see what William does.
What do you mean by Ingrid and all her drama? Sorry i didn’t watch the last couple seasons yet.
and is William still running? He looks a bit chunky now.
i'm buying what you're selling about Gjert making the brothers into the runners they are but why the implicit assumption that he could not have achieved the same result with a different temperament or approach, while retaining the same training methodology?
I'm just struggling to see why there needs to be an "either or" scenario: either good coach or good father, not both. Surely Jake and Goeff Wightman show that this is not the case.