Building towards OTQ time in marathon - advice needed!

Get super shoes, the shoes will take you where you want to go.

Good luck to you.

it should be a fun adventure to try to reach your goal.

I have no good advice to offer.

Probably best to find a coach you can trust. A training group might help as well.

ya brahh u can learn a lot from having someone write your training or coaching you.....brah. but also, u sound like u have done yr homework...if u wanna focus on recovery more why do 3 workouts in a week? jussssayin

EPO 12 week cycle

HGH 6 week cycle

Altitude Tent - Altitude camp

Test is Best

Oxaline like you're Ryan Garcia

Cheater shoes like cheptegai

Wave lights on your course

Pacer to break the wind

Chicago or that short course in Europe they all run for fake times (or downhill)

60% atmospheric O2 on race day

Now if you were a real man (unlikely)

-barefoot

-boston marathon as OTC time

-No PED's

-No coach

-trash diet

-No altitude

-No supplements

Keep listening to taylor swift and travis kelce like you're Nuguse and you'll run like Nuguse (never winning) take a page out of Boston Billy's book why don't you?

/thread

Great goal!

1) Hill sprints are a great start to neuromuscular improvement, but 5k/10k work is not necessarily targeting the neuromuscular system OR going to directly help you in lowering your marathon time. Again, there are hundreds of different marathon programs that work effectively, I just don't believe 5k/10k focus is the key to marathoning success.

2) Rather than MORE long runs, your long runs should increase in QUALITY. Being able to alternate easy long runs with paces below your LT1 and runs just above LT1 to help oxidize lactate

3) Rest is good!

4) I'd get tested if you haven't already to help dial in your workouts. Check out articles written by Andrew Jones and Mark Burnley which help explain effectiveness in marathon performance through the lens of lactate metabolism.

Good luck

Hopefully you'll knock off 15 minutes from your PB and qualify.

Here's my take, but you're not gonna like it. You are correct that, in your early twenties, you have a lot of time to make progress in a lot of different areas. Unless you have zero talent in anything other than running, invest this level of energy in something more practical than qualifying for an OTQ. You don't want to end up like, for example, Greg, constantly moaning about how he coulda shoulda woulda been a concert pianist. Not saying you should give up running to practice the piano, but also don't waste your mental and physical prime at the expense of being fulfilled later in life.

Best case scenario here is you squeak under the qualifying time, get chicked at the trials, and have questionable knees the rest of your life. Worst case scenario, you have this big gaping hole in your 20s where you lived in ascetic obscurity while pursuing your jogging hobby that never panned out.

Great goal but there is a good chance that 2024 was the last Olympic Trials Marathon.

If you're looking for an online coach might be willing to coach you for the next 3 years when we qualify for the Olympic trials.

What are your 5K & 10K PRS?

What is your current long run training pace?

don't rush brah

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