800m Front Running

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1 month ago 05/31/2024 7:56am EDT

I am a highschool athlete with a PR of 1:49 in the 800m. However, in my last race, I ran 1:52. For reference, I am a 4/8 type but my best races come from even/negative splitting. This was not that, it was 53/58 splits

The difference between this race and my other successful races was that I decided to take the lead for the first ~650m of the race, and then got passed by the entire field on the last 100m.

I still feel like I left everything on the track and am not super beat up about it, but I am wondering WHY front running like that took the race out of me so much more and made it so that I couldn't kick at all, and obviously lead to me running 3 seconds slower than a race 5 days before. Just trying to figure out the reasons 🤷‍♂️

1 month ago 05/31/2024 8:29am EDT

re: Never again

Baseball is 90% mental, the other half physical.

Practice the strategy. Don't give up on front running.

Do you want to go back to wind drafting while running 16 m.p.h?

1 month ago 05/31/2024 8:36am EDT

re: Lawrence "Yogi" Berra said ...

When you're leading, you are in control. Relax, and run at the effort you choose. Men's world record was front running the whole way.

1 month ago 05/31/2024 10:58am EDT

re: Never again

Never again wrote:
I am a highschool athlete with a PR of 1:49 in the 800m. However, in my last race, I ran 1:52. For reference, I am a 4/8 type but my best races come from even/negative splitting. This was not that, it was 53/58 splits
The difference between this race and my other successful races was that I decided to take the lead for the first ~650m of the race, and then got passed by the entire field on the last 100m.
I still feel like I left everything on the track and am not super beat up about it, but I am wondering WHY front running like that took the race out of me so much more and made it so that I couldn't kick at all, and obviously lead to me running 3 seconds slower than a race 5 days before. Just trying to figure out the reasons 🤷‍♂️

It has nothing to do with you front running. It has to do with your 53/58 splits. You went out too fast.

Also, you're not going to be at your best in every race. Some days your body feels a little better than other days.

1 month ago 05/31/2024 11:22am EDT

re: Relax and run fast

Relax and run fast wrote:
It has nothing to do with you front running. It has to do with your 53/58 splits. You went out too fast.
Also, you're not going to be at your best in every race. Some days your body feels a little better than other days.

He's a 1:49 guy. If he thinks he is in shape to run 1:48, then he should be going out in 53.

1 month ago 05/31/2024 11:33am EDT

re: Never again

it's counter-intuitive but as a sprinter/hurdler what i figured out from XC was i had to leave some gas in the tank over the opening sequences of the race, to have the advantage of my late kick. as the other poster said, you go out too fast, you don't have the late kick to finish strong.

actually what it says is you need to work on endurance. as you say, you're a 4/8 guy. your type of race seemingly is closer to even paced where you can use the late speed. but if you run from the front, you actually need to be a little bit 8/15 to pull it off wire to wire.

short term i agree with the split theory. you are the current runner you are, and you just taught yourself what happens if you split that low. long term if you plan on running college at a high level work on endurance some too as your weakness. because the runners are going to be faster in college which may force you towards the split that blows you up.

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