Complicated Coaching Issue

What states run the 1500?

We run the 15/3k in Oregon

they are always going to hire the teacher over a real coach. Usually

some schools even have that written as a rule.

first, give the new coach chance. They may be open to letting you have input into the workouts etc.

second, it is rarely going to work to have you coached by an outside coach - and even train with them and then run for your school. This doesn't even make sense.

I created an account just to reply to you, my man. Hope that makes you feel special.

It's your decision, but why don't you get in touch with the new coach and get a feel for what the training is going to look like? Maybe the new coach is willing to learn and improve, or maybe he or she is willing to let you go your own way training-wise. Send an email, make a phone call, or reach out some other way and get a sense of where things are going. I didn't race XC or track in high school or college, but when I had an opportunity to coach, I treated it like a master's degree and learned everything I could. A lot of kids made a lot of progress. So not having experience doesn't necessarily mean that coach is going to suck.

If you reach out and you don't like what you hear, then look at transferring to the school that has that coach you trust. It looks like Oregon allows you to transfer without any penalty. If that's not a possibility then maybe look at competing in USATF youth meets instead of competing in the high school league. Regardless, don't feel like you're stuck.

I would assume that state rules would prohibit you from training under a private coach instead of with your school. Especially if that coach happens to coach for a different school. In my state both of these would be against the rules and you would be ineligible to compete.

This is a "be careful what you wish for because you might just get it" situation.

I would give the new teacher a chance. They may be better than you think. Just be transparent with them. They may be a little insecure being new to coaching but if they don't feel threatened by your refusal to work with them maybe they'll collaborate with you.

The funny thing about running is half of the battle is believing in what you're doing. You come out of those club training blocks super fit because it's good training but also because you believe it works.

re armstrong's law in OR, if you read the fine print, the one school you can't transfer to and play right away is a school where you have been coached on the side by that team's coach. so you can't just go play for your buddy.

(1) be careful what you wish for, indeed

(2) if you know a club/HS coach then why aren't you nudging him to get qualified people he knows applying for your job? i knew and got along with some of the competing soccer coaches in my area and they actually did me favors, college hookups, letters of rec. have him spread the word and nudge your AD.

(3) before you pre-judge them hiring someone who knows little, maybe they boringly but competently just buy and follow a book. which might be an improvement over silly. or maybe they humbly ask for help. you then offer a book or a plan. treat it as a preparatory homework for when XC starts. maybe discuss it with your pal. here is a prepackaged plan. have it day 1 in your backpack. if the guy takes charge you give it some time. if the guy asks for help, voila, here's your syllabus.

(4) be aware if you butt heads with coaches constantly, they talk. or in team sports they do stuff like not put you up for honors. you might do well, if it's stupid, to simply figure out your own ways of adjusting the workouts. nothing says you have to do precisely what is asked at the precise intensity asked. ideally you can just follow orders. but my college soccer overtrained us and i would simply loaf some workouts or not do some of the more insane hard contact drills as hard as he wanted. as long as you are generally practicing hard and showing well, they can't bench you. i didn't get along with the guy but he basically had to start me on game day performance.

but then you better show up game day.

Wait.. What?? Illegible? Seriously?
We re talking High School. Obviously they don t wana pay for a real running coach.
Plus the teacher coach should know that He s/She s not qualified to take new talent & mould em into a champion. Like, no one can think that. Anyway, they d have to be unbelievably irresponsible to apply. It s guna ruin a kids future. U can't lose a years training schedule to some donkey for fun or just a job coach.
I ll post what I think as a reply to kid runner.

I had the opposite experience. A club coach poaching my athletes who has never ran in college, was never educated, had creepy behaviors, and yet somehow convinced the parents and athletes he was better than us. So, I stepped aside at the right time before it got out of hand. They can have him...good luck with your club coaches.

1) Let JK and I coach you.

2) Why don't you try to sell it to the new coach as a positive. Get your parents to aproach her and say. "Hey my son is excited to work with you. I dono't know if you have any experience coacing but we wnat to let you know that our son has a club coach who is willing to write all of the workouts and tal to each you each week to help you learn the ropes."

3) Remember. The coach is the jockey. You are the horse.

Hey Kid runner. I feel ya.. I really do..

I replied to another dudes reply saying you'd be illegible to run team with another coach but run for team.(ridiculous, but I get it. The juice from your wins ll have to goto teams coach n school. Normal bro)

I have an unbelievable respect for coaches. They really do make the runner what they are. REALLY

Oh and congrats on your times. Great work, obviously.

I saw another dude(the dude that created account for you. FYI, I d feel special on that.) He said maybe you should find another place to run. Maybe right, I duno but you'll have to find out...

Ok. Here s my take.. I'm happy to see your concern n the effort in emailing & voicing what you feel.. SO... Maybe you should find out who'll be put in as coach. Then check qualifications (and drive to form a winning team). Then voice your concerns again but maybe give Coach a shot but tell the school that if they want your talent, then maybe you can talk to Coach n manipulate your training a little. MAybe they ll say "Sure, but coach has last word." Communication is always the best way to go. Don't sound like a know it all, cause u don't. FOR SURE. But maybe you do have knowledge Coach doesn't. Or maybe just the drive to find out more. Some Coaches just stop learning or wanting to. Training has come soooo far in the last bit. Not many know it all and FOR SURE they re not going to put in the effort to learn as you do/did. After all they re starting a new job. They re overwhelmed already..

Become Coaches friend and ask to manipulate Training a little (which maybe the school already told Him bout U n ure thoughts. If you're good, they ll tell Him/Her) Work harder than any1, obviously. Take what's good of His/Hers There must be some of it good(make sure you communicate what you like about His/Her style. What U feel it gave you.) and ask to tweek it a bit. "U think I can do.....??, don't tell Him/Her anything ask. You'll never win against Ego.). Make sure this is out in the open between the school and your Coach and don't tell any other runners on the team. Let Coach take credit for it all. Let everyone think the whole training plan is His. U don t need credit, You need GREAT TIMES & hopefully wins. That's where you collect your juice..

If it's a no on all fronts or they don't seem to care, understand or take importance, empty your locker n run somewhere else.. NOTE: It will be a lot harder for you. You'll have to goto school and train before and after school and training won t be at school. Lotsa time lost daily, plus stress and recovery time.. That's an immeasurable loss.

I just want to stress a point you made Kid, You are 100% right to worry. To me and in my humble opinion, the runner only has legs and determination. The Coach takes that and finds the best possible times thru His/Her knowledge by developing the runner thru the training schedule adapting it to the runners strengths..

THE COACH IS KING. The runner is just talent. And you at your age CAN NOT lose a year to people that just don t see the importance of having a good professional Coach.

Maybe they do but think, "We'll put the money elsewhere This Year." They have many years ahead. U just have this one and the next one will be built upon this one. "Training is compounded. Like interest in the bank."

Anyway, I'm off to bed, I have a LOOONG drive to the mountains in the morning. And cause of this, my fingers hurt & I hunch over keyboard when I type. It was my decision to write this novel cause I saw the importance of it to you. But if my back hurts in the am, I'll think or u. Fingers, I don't care, I'm a runner. LOL

I really really hope you figure this out. I wish you the best Son..

A LOT of really talented runners fall by the wayside like this. Don't settle and fight to figure this out. I love your drive... LET's GOOOOO BRO... U got this....

here's the deal, my initial suggestion was going to be, if the new rule is you can transfer, and this neighboring coach is your buddy and his school is in your district, the transfer request almost writes itself. however, buried in the article linked to the thread, it says, "As long as a student transfers between school years and doesn't move to a school where a coach has provided out-of-school instruction (such as in an AAU program) during the past year, the Oregon School Activities Association is willing to grant eligibility."

i would check out the new rule for yourself and make sure that article's reading it correctly, but it would seem to rule out the "transfer to join my club coach" option.

OP - Within just a couple of minutes I was able to identify you, the club you run for on the side, and the coaches you've been discussing. Would recommend editing your post to remove your PRs unless you're ok with others identifying you.

Unfortunately this is very common today. It's not "illegal" in most states that I know of but the team coach (if they are good) should put their foot down and not allow it. I had to squash that from happening at a school I was at.