New rule just passed in Utah saying athletes can transfer without reason and are only penalized with a half season ban. Meaning athletes can transfer and still race by Woodbridge!!
Cooper tripp (skyridge 14th at 6a state) and Jackson Spencer (Syracuse
4:15 @ 4500 feet) are both transferring for the upcoming season. NXN is pre determined for the next few years...
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letsrunStockHolder wrote:
New rule just passed in Utah saying athletes can transfer without reason and are only penalized with a half season ban. Meaning athletes can transfer and still race by Woodbridge!!
Cooper tripp (skyridge 14th at 6a state) and Jackson Spencer (Syracuse
4:15 @ 4500 feet) are both transferring for the upcoming season. NXN is pre determined for the next few years...Honestly sad; this will take away from the integrity of highschool cross country for years to come. Can’t blame the coach for taking advantage of the system but that doesn’t mean the system isn’t broken
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This is good for the sport. I'm stuck in a school district where the fastest boy is 19:00 5k and fastest girl is 26:00 5k.
I wish I could drive 30-45 minutes to a district that actually cares about the sport.
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Manbearpig15 wrote:
This is good for the sport. I'm stuck in a school district where the fastest boy is 19:00 5k and fastest girl is 26:00 5k.
I wish I could drive 30-45 minutes to a district that actually cares about the sport.
If your team's fastest runner is 19:00 that means you're slower than that and you should just focus on doing what you can to get better there. You don't have a right to complain about being on a terrible team unless you're sub 17 for a guy or sub 20:30 for a girl because that's at a minimum how fast you need to be to score for a really good team.
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Niwottttttrrrrahhh wrote:
Honestly sad; this will take away from the integrity of highschool cross country for years to come. Can’t blame the coach for taking advantage of the system but that doesn’t mean the system isn’t broken
I agree the rule isn't good, but their coach isn't out recruiting people. Guys are choosing to transfer there by themselves. Who wouldn't at least consider transferring to win nxn when your own team isn't doing much?
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Too much talent close by
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Same rule as in the state Herriman’s coach used to coach in.
In that state, it’s called SOP (Sit out period).This rule isn’t considered a punishment because end of season races matter most
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Niwottttttrrrrahhh wrote:
Honestly sad; this will take away from the integrity of highschool cross country for years to come. Can’t blame the coach for taking advantage of the system but that doesn’t mean the system isn’t broken
I don't think so. I get that you lose something when Utah schools are winning because kids can choose their coaches, but don't forget that we gain something too: Kids will get better coaching and be surrounded by better athletes. I'd rather every state move to this option than Utah go back on it. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Herriman and American Fork are going to make NP's 2022/23 times a regular occurrence in the next few years. The talent has always been there, it just normally doesn't get good enough coaching.
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That's an interesting last sentence considering AF's coach has been there a longggg time
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I meant kids will be moving to American Fork that may not have otherwise. AF has a history of being the best, they held the 4xmile record before NP did.
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Utah observer wrote:
Niwottttttrrrrahhh wrote:
Honestly sad; this will take away from the integrity of highschool cross country for years to come. Can’t blame the coach for taking advantage of the system but that doesn’t mean the system isn’t broken
I agree the rule isn't good, but their coach isn't out recruiting people. Guys are choosing to transfer there by themselves. Who wouldn't at least consider transferring to win nxn when your own team isn't doing much?
Probably the reason why Niwot had 4 varsity girls transfer in last year (1 of them was sitting out due to injury and will be a senior this fall). Niwot has another varsity girl transferring in from IMG academy this fall
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So the top 6 for Herriman will be (no particular order)
Ogomo (NXN scorer)
Tang 1 (NXN scorer)
Tang 2 (NXN scorer)
Manwaring (transferred in before fall 2023. 186 speed rating at RunningLane.)
Spencer (new transfer)
Tripp (new transfer)
7th spot will be either B Runnells or M Steadman (both sub-10 during track)So this varsity will have 3 transfers.
Everyone in this group will be a senior except Spencer and Runnells.
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Lists wrote:
So the top 6 for Herriman will be (no particular order)
Ogomo (NXN scorer)
Tang 1 (NXN scorer)
Tang 2 (NXN scorer)
Manwaring (transferred in before fall 2023. 186 speed rating at RunningLane.)
Spencer (new transfer)
Tripp (new transfer)
7th spot will be either B Runnells or M Steadman (both sub-10 during track)So this varsity will have 3 transfers.
Everyone in this group will be a senior except Spencer and Runnells.
This is a very rough estimate, but based solely off of prior xc speed ratings, Herriman's 2024 squad if they DO NOT GET BETTER would place 34th (Tang), 42nd (Spencer), 43rd (Ogomo), 73rd (Tang), 94th (Manwaring), 114th (Tripp), 156th (Runnells)
When Herriman won this year they went:
28-34-43-52-73-144-160
Again, assuming none of their athletes get better from 2023 xc (which many already are faster) they can place:
34-42-43-73-94-114-156
That is already better at 6/7, and very similar at 1-3.
I think Herriman could score ~60 unless AF gets similar transfers, or a team like CBA/Belen Jesuit has a Steller season
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Preview Score wrote:
This is a very rough estimate, but based solely off of prior xc speed ratings, Herriman's 2024 squad if they DO NOT GET BETTER would place 34th (Tang), 42nd (Spencer), 43rd (Ogomo), 73rd (Tang), 94th (Manwaring), 114th (Tripp), 156th (Runnells)
When Herriman won this year they went:
28-34-43-52-73-144-160
Again, assuming none of their athletes get better from 2023 xc (which many already are faster) they can place:
34-42-43-73-94-114-156
That is already better at 6/7, and very similar at 1-3.
I think Herriman could score ~60 unless AF gets similar transfers, or a team like CBA/Belen Jesuit has a Steller season
With a the improvement these athletes have already shown, it wouldn't surprise me to see Herriman go something like 25-30-35-50-70-100-105, scoring 60-70
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Anonymous Poster 123 wrote:
Manbearpig15 wrote:
This is good for the sport. I'm stuck in a school district where the fastest boy is 19:00 5k and fastest girl is 26:00 5k.
I wish I could drive 30-45 minutes to a district that actually cares about the sport.
If your team's fastest runner is 19:00 that means you're slower than that and you should just focus on doing what you can to get better there. You don't have a right to complain about being on a terrible team unless you're sub 17 for a guy or sub 20:30 for a girl because that's at a minimum how fast you need to be to score for a really good team.
It's the school's team. My kids will never run for them.
And if you want talk times....My son ran a 4:10 1500m with a 59 last lap at age 14 a couple years ago. My daughter just ran a 19:06 5k this weekend at age 14. So yes, my kids are good enough to be on a really good team.
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Peach Pit wrote:
I meant kids will be moving to American Fork that may not have otherwise. AF has a history of being the best, they held the 4xmile record before NP did.
Dallin Harrington of San Clemente (15:28 at CIF State as a sophomore) is moving to Utah and attending American Fork.
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utuhnhuut wrote:
Peach Pit wrote:
I meant kids will be moving to American Fork that may not have otherwise. AF has a history of being the best, they held the 4xmile record before NP did.
Dallin Harrington of San Clemente (15:28 at CIF State as a sophomore) is moving to Utah and attending American Fork.
American Fork could make podium again even though they only return 1 guy from NXN.
Returners:
Evans - 4:09 & 8:44 - Jr
Plewe - 4:13 & 9:24 - So
Bement - 4:19 & 9:43 - Jr
Williams - 4:27 & 9:31 - Jr
Moore - 4:29 & 9:19 - Jr
Harrington - 4:30 & 9:21 - So
Ward - 4:47 & 9:50 - So
Pretty solid top 7.San Clemente wouldn’t make NXN even if Harrington was still there.
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Peach Pit wrote:
Niwottttttrrrrahhh wrote:
Honestly sad; this will take away from the integrity of highschool cross country for years to come. Can’t blame the coach for taking advantage of the system but that doesn’t mean the system isn’t broken
I don't think so. I get that you lose something when Utah schools are winning because kids can choose their coaches, but don't forget that we gain something too: Kids will get better coaching and be surrounded by better athletes.
hmm this only applies for the top guys. is high school sports really only supposed to about the top 7 runners? That's gross to me. If every year, the seven best just transfer in than the program is a failure.
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Manbearpig15 wrote:
Anonymous Poster 123 wrote:
If your team's fastest runner is 19:00 that means you're slower than that and you should just focus on doing what you can to get better there. You don't have a right to complain about being on a terrible team unless you're sub 17 for a guy or sub 20:30 for a girl because that's at a minimum how fast you need to be to score for a really good team.
It's the school's team. My kids will never run for them.
And if you want talk times....My son ran a 4:10 1500m with a 59 last lap at age 14 a couple years ago. My daughter just ran a 19:06 5k this weekend at age 14. So yes, my kids are good enough to be on a really good team.
you're the problem. How about your live your own life instead of trying to get glory from your kids.
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