Where do I belong? 400/800 or 800/1500

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1 month ago 05/18/2024 10:40pm EDT

2022 (Freshman Year)

XC: Out hurt, no times

Indoor: Out hurt, not times

Outdoor: 200 = 27; 400 = 1:02; 1600 = 5:13

Outdoor Club: 800 = 2:22; 1500 = 4:45; 3000 = 10:17
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2023 (Sophomore Year)

XC: 5K = 18:07

Indoor: 300 = 38.68; 500 = 1:15.19

Outdoor: 400 = 55.32; 800 = 2:14.81 (Hurt again most of the season, missed two months)

Outdoor Club: 400 = 54.54; 800 = 2:06.50; 1500 = 4:25

*Note* During outdoor club, my primary focus was the 800/1500. I ran the 400 twice, still seeing a 1 second improvement.
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2024 (Current Junior Year)

XC: 5K = 17:31

Indoor: 300 = 38.14; 500 = 1:10.24; 800 = 2:07.61

Outdoor: 400 = 52.17; 800 = 2:02.15; 1500 = 4:25; 4x4 = 51.14 split; 4x2 = 23 flat split

*Note* Indoor, I didn't do any distance work even though I ran the 800. Coach just kept training me with speed endurance (He is the sprints coach :)). He wasn't a believer in "slower running." After seeing the error in his ways and discussing it with the distance coach, during outdoor season, they made sure I spent one day a week with distance doing endurance workouts (mile repeats etc) and running about 15 MPW on my own outside of practice. I didn't do much of any training for the 1500/1600 though so my 1500 (Did it once as a workout) was still as fast as club last year.
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So, like last year, I am getting ready to run club track and will again primarily focus on the 800/1500 and run the 400 maybe once or twice, just like I did last year. I am hoping for 50-51.

My problem has always been, I have never been sure what I am. Always felt like a hybrid, not exceptional at any one event.

When I was 12 years old I ran the 400 = 1:01; 800 = 2:23.95; 1500 = 4:49. That was 2019. Well, COVID and injuries came and I wasn't even a shell of myself for the next three years (2020-2022). I was also on medicine for ADHD that affected my appetite which stunted my growth during the referenced time.

But I changed my medicine after 2022, started growing again, eating etc and now I am looking good physically.

I mean if it were up to me, before I go to college, I would like to be at 400 = 49, 800 = 1:55 and 1500 = 4:05.

Provided I stay injury free and going off of my history, what do you think will be my prospects short term for this upcoming club season? I saw big drops in my times last year.

What do you predict long term? Including next year as a senior? Do you ultimately see me as a 400/800 guy or 800/1500 guy? I am thinking it may become more clear after this club season. Any suggestions? Thanks.

1 month ago 05/18/2024 10:55pm EDT

re: Flex

It's hard to judge solely based off of results and not knowing workouts and other data (like threshold pace or 30m fly times), and you'll probably figure that out best/most accurately if you train as a true 800m runner and see if you end up performing better in the 400 or the 1500.

The 51.14 split and 4:25 are very similar in terms of "impressiveness" (for lack of better term), so you'll really just have to figure that out through racing.

1 month ago 05/19/2024 12:42am EDT

re: Isaac 800m guy

your 400 PR is your strongest, though the 800m is pretty close. 1500 is far weaker than either but you seem to have trained the least for it specifically so its not an exactly fair comparison. if your injuries have come up when you run more mileage, then you're definitely a 400/800 guy and should keep training like that. if your injuries are unrelated to mileage load, experiment with more "distance" training and see if you can get your 1500 result down. a good time to try would be this summer and XC, if you have a big break through maybe its what you've been missing this whole time and if you can maintain your 400m speed simultaneously you'll probably run better at the 800/1500.

1 month ago 05/19/2024 12:46am EDT

re: Isaac 800m guy

Isaac 800m guy wrote:
The 51.14 split and 4:25 are very similar in terms of "impressiveness" (for lack of better term), so you'll really just have to figure that out through racing.

if it was a 4:25 1600 I'd agree, but a 4:25 1500 is like a 4:45 mile. fine enough, but a lot weaker than 52 open/51 split and 2:02. again, could be limited by aerobic development but from a pure time standpoint his 1500 is way weaker.

one of these things is not like the other wrote:
Isaac 800m guy wrote:
The 51.14 split and 4:25 are very similar in terms of "impressiveness" (for lack of better term), so you'll really just have to figure that out through racing.
if it was a 4:25 1600 I'd agree, but a 4:25 1500 is like a 4:45 mile. fine enough, but a lot weaker than 52 open/51 split and 2:02. again, could be limited by aerobic development but from a pure time standpoint his 1500 is way weaker.

I think it is definitely a lack of training for the 1500. I generally perform well when i train for it. Considering my 400 and 800, what do you think is a realistic or good time for the 1500 by the end of Club Track, which may ho to August if I make it to nationals. Also, do you think the extra endurance work will help get me sub 2:00 in my 800?

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