i sincerely don't understand the argument behind allowing genetic males to compete in these sports. is the point that "it doesn't matter" and "for the sake of inclusivity"?
does it not matter?
and, is there another way to create inclusivity?
or i could just be missing it. the gender evolution has taken me by surprise, and i'm not yet accustomed to it. i have no issue with the evolution in general, but this particular piece seems to cross a line of science based arguments that i feel uncomfortable with.
letsrun isn't the place to be enlightened, i guess, but is there anyone here who can make a compelling argument for allowing this?
This is where we are in this world. Yelling at someone for speaking basic logic. The Israel Palestine conflict doesn’t affect me personally, doesn’t mean it isn’t a big issue
“White Only” drinking fountains probably didn’t affect white people but isn’t it good that some of them knew it was horrible to African-Americans and spoke up on the topic?
1.) transgender kids are much more likely to self-harm / suffer depression/ bullying or suffer in school. While the media may portray that everyone is accepted, the reality of HS is far different.
2.) It has been proven that sports above all other activities reduce bad outcomes for all students.
These are two facts, whether you like them or not.
Therefore allowing transgender kids will significantly help them, make them feel more apart of a group, etc. Now, one could argue the type of kids whose parents support them by allowing them to do sports. etc likely have to do better but that is a big assumption.
Some might argue that we should restrict these to lower levels of sport (i.e. JV, open division) but let's be honest parent and LR losers would still complain.
The ones that claim to care the most and stand strong for women's sports are ironically the same people that are fully ok with this unfairness in women's sports.
Good point. Wars and high school sports are the same. And wars never impact anyone but the people directly in them. History has borne that out time and time again.
I am really sorry for belittling some else’s obsession with being a fan of long jumping. Every issue is of equal importance to every other issue. Like how the brakes on a car are just as important as the cup holders.
This is where we are in this world. Yelling at someone for speaking basic logic. The Israel Palestine conflict doesn’t affect me personally, doesn’t mean it isn’t a big issue
Good point. Wars and high school sports are the same. And wars never impact anyone but the people directly in them. History has borne that out time and time again.
I am really sorry for belittling some else’s obsession with being a fan of long jumping. Every issue is of equal importance to every other issue. Like how the brakes on a car are just as important as the cup holders.
i sincerely don't understand the argument behind allowing genetic males to compete in these sports. is the point that "it doesn't matter" and "for the sake of inclusivity"?
does it not matter?
and, is there another way to create inclusivity?
or i could just be missing it. the gender evolution has taken me by surprise, and i'm not yet accustomed to it. i have no issue with the evolution in general, but this particular piece seems to cross a line of science based arguments that i feel uncomfortable with.
letsrun isn't the place to be enlightened, i guess, but is there anyone here who can make a compelling argument for allowing this?
The person in the first place probably never went through male puberty. World Athletics says she should be eligible to compete as a girl because whatever advantage she might have is not supported by sufficient evidence. (Pre-puberty boys have 1-2% advantage over girls. How that translates into advantage during and after puberty with hormone replacement is not clear.) Their principle is that any uncertainty should be decided in favor of the athletes.
The person in the 14th place has clearly gone through male puberty, and it is not clear whether she is on any kind of cross hormone therapy now. Her advantage over cis girls is beyond disputes and World Athletics says she should be ineligible. Some HS sports associations (about 15 states and DC) still think inclusion is more important than the level playing field.
Another way to achieve inclusivity might be to allow them to compete as girls, but list their results separately. One problem is that trans girls are often living in "stealth.' (Not disclosing their trans status to most people.) Listing their results separately will "out" them. The first place person was probably living in stealth because her presence did not become a source of controversy until very recently.
Why some trans girls try to go stealth or whether that is a wise decision is another question. In this case, she was probably too good for her own benefit. If she were a mediocre athlete who is eliminated in the district meet, she could have protected her privacy.