First man sub 12:30/ 26:00

I feel like there is an outside change Jakob could get sub 12:30 at some point if he really went after it. Similarly I feel like a Kiplimo could maybe get close to 26:00, but that one is one less certain.

Absolutely they are talented enough but they are balancing on the edge when it comes to mileage to increase risk of injuries( like the one Jakob has now) and overdoing. They don't need that much training.....

Nice try lazy man - you do realize that actually putting in the miles , training smart , using science is what gives results! If your lame system worked every one would run a world record . It obviously does not work cause you can’t even get in shape ! your the biggest joke in Sweden that’s why you try to recruit elsewhere

I hope you understand it's impossible every one would run a world record whatever system they use and whatever mileage they run? 😉

This I tell is nothing about being lazy, it's about smart scientific training , to just do enough what it takes to reach the goal, nothing more , nothing less.

I know people have done analyses on world class 5k to 10k conversions, but how about 3k to 5k? If we looked at lap paces for each distance and work out a trend of decceleration per lap, would we be able to say with confidence that Jakob's performances indicate the capability to sustain sub 60 / lap pace for 5000m?

58.9 for a bit over 8 laps, to 59.9 over 5000m, seems like a very very tight conversion, just 1 second slower each lap for 5 more laps. Even considering the fact that I think Jakob may have run up to 2 seconds faster with a more aggressive first mile and not letting up before the line, 12:29 seems like a stretch at this point. ~12:33 or so would have been more likely, and given Cheptegei himself believes 12:35 could've been faster with cooler temperatures in his Monaco run (with all the fast 5000s on last year's DL circuit in context also) this isn't as otherworldly as many people might believe.

We can reasonably assume that he had the ability to run under 7:20 for 3000m that day - although it's also very fair to grant Komen sub 7:20 ability with more even pacing considering his utterly suicidal opening splits, yet unlike Bekele or Geb I find it hard to say that he was capable of much faster than 12:39 even with better pacing. Jakob is faster at 1500m and the mile, but he may very well be more endurance based yet still... So many questions waiting to be answered in the coming seasons.

Please mods, don't let this man spam the forum anymore. He has already been called out on other threads for stalking LRC users on Facebook and admitted he only uses this forum for shameless self promotion. Not to mention the worrying rumours in the Swedish community about the allegations and pending investigations against him.

ban people who want to censor free speech. he is an idiot but idiots should be allowed to speak freely.

Not when they are scammers in search of prey, like Fat Jan.

The training won’t be any different from what we see today. It will be the talent and the times run in the training that will be the difference.

shoes and drugs will probably be the deciding factors.

I am quite sure, that the first sub 12:30/26:00 will not come from a runner only training 5-6 sessions per week.

There are studies, too, that at least a couple of doubles per week maximize some adaptions.

While I feel your training might be good, I don't think it is optimal. It might be "most bang for the buck" when someone only wants to run 5x per week though.

Of course, Jan. You are right and all the coaches of world record holders are wrong.

You are of course most truly right in that comment Pikachu.🖐 I only point out 5-6 sessions per week would also lead to a sub 12:30/ 26:00 If the runner is supertalented and can do the required training paces week after week. Just the training and paces needed to reach the goals......

How clever! Why not say that if the athlete is megatalented he can run 12:10 and 24:59 on 3 sessions a week? Super logic there.

For the recreational runner, recovery is often better than additional mileage. The longer the distance the more blurred that line becomes.

Chep was already in 12:30 shape the night he ran the 12:35. Both Ruiter and himself thought so. I’d just stick to what he’s doing.

I'm pretty sure the training Jakob did to run a new world best at 2 miles and running just a hair off the mile world record has a better clue on what it takes to run a 12:30 5000. Which includes doubles most days or about 13 training sessions a week plus gym sessions. But sure keep thinking you know better when you have no credibility.

326.xx 1500

Prob would need to be able to run 6 x mile at sub 4.