Does anyone know this? Is it the Norwegian method?
Not even close to the Norwegian method. Believe it or not, not everybody is training that way.
Josh has talked about his training in a bunch of podcasts. The interview on the Inside Running podcast from early 2022 is great. He runs six days a week. Around 60-70 miles give or take. Sometimes more, sometimes less. In the winter, he trains like a 10k guy, in the spring, he trains like a 5k guy, in the summer, he trains like an 800m guy and only does true, hard miler type workouts in the last 8 weeks or so before the big race. Lower mileage but very strength based. Hard 10 mile tempos. I believe Mackey mentioned in the citius mag podcast, or maybe a different podcast, that Kerr did a 10 miler at like 5:02 pace at altitude this past summer. No double thresholds. Sorry, folks. You can be good without it.
Does anyone know this? Is it the Norwegian method?
Not even close to the Norwegian method. Believe it or not, not everybody is training that way.
Josh has talked about his training in a bunch of podcasts. The interview on the Inside Running podcast from early 2022 is great. He runs six days a week. Around 60-70 miles give or take. Sometimes more, sometimes less. In the winter, he trains like a 10k guy, in the spring, he trains like a 5k guy, in the summer, he trains like an 800m guy and only does true, hard miler type workouts in the last 8 weeks or so before the big race. Lower mileage but very strength based. Hard 10 mile tempos. I believe Mackey mentioned in the citius mag podcast, or maybe a different podcast, that Kerr did a 10 miler at like 5:02 pace at altitude this past summer. No double thresholds. Sorry, folks. You can be good without it.
You said J Kerr runs (60 to 70) miles per week then you said he trains like a 10000m guy in winter. Does he run (110 to 120) miles a week in the winter or not?
Not even close to the Norwegian method. Believe it or not, not everybody is training that way.
Josh has talked about his training in a bunch of podcasts. The interview on the Inside Running podcast from early 2022 is great. He runs six days a week. Around 60-70 miles give or take. Sometimes more, sometimes less. In the winter, he trains like a 10k guy, in the spring, he trains like a 5k guy, in the summer, he trains like an 800m guy and only does true, hard miler type workouts in the last 8 weeks or so before the big race. Lower mileage but very strength based. Hard 10 mile tempos. I believe Mackey mentioned in the citius mag podcast, or maybe a different podcast, that Kerr did a 10 miler at like 5:02 pace at altitude this past summer. No double thresholds. Sorry, folks. You can be good without it.
You said J Kerr runs (60 to 70) miles per week then you said he trains like a 10000m guy in winter. Does he run (110 to 120) miles a week in the winter or not?
Grant Fisher trains 90-95 a week and not 110-120…so he isn’t a 10k guy either according your dumb blind fanboy for Jakob eyes, right?
“No but you need to run more mileage to train for the 10k man, that’s what I read off of trackstaa and sweat elite with their training”
Does anyone know this? Is it the Norwegian method?
Not even close to the Norwegian method. Believe it or not, not everybody is training that way.
Josh has talked about his training in a bunch of podcasts. The interview on the Inside Running podcast from early 2022 is great. He runs six days a week. Around 60-70 miles give or take. Sometimes more, sometimes less. In the winter, he trains like a 10k guy, in the spring, he trains like a 5k guy, in the summer, he trains like an 800m guy and only does true, hard miler type workouts in the last 8 weeks or so before the big race. Lower mileage but very strength based. Hard 10 mile tempos. I believe Mackey mentioned in the citius mag podcast, or maybe a different podcast, that Kerr did a 10 miler at like 5:02 pace at altitude this past summer. No double thresholds. Sorry, folks. You can be good without it.
Also emphasizing the short speed work too, Id go as far as to call Kerrs training the antithesis to Jakobs. Pretty normal for him to do a session like 5x150m in spikes with 10 minutes rest. Again, comparing Kerr and Jakobs 400m/800m PB with their 5000m PBs should tell all.
You said J Kerr runs (60 to 70) miles per week then you said he trains like a 10000m guy in winter. Does he run (110 to 120) miles a week in the winter or not?
Grant Fisher trains 90-95 a week and not 110-120…so he isn’t a 10k guy either according your dumb blind fanboy for Jakob eyes, right?
“No but you need to run more mileage to train for the 10k man, that’s what I read off of trackstaa and sweat elite with their training”
Wow. You sure got upset o.p. You changed your username so you can really hide.
If Grant Fisher has peak fall/winter mileage at (90 to 95) miles per week, then G Fisher trains like a 3000m athlete. I asked a question. Does J Kerr log (110 to 120) miles per week in winter or not? If he does not then do not post that J Kerr trains like a 10000m man.
Dumb blind fanboy? I am the most objective poster here. I am the most fair poster. I slightly favor U.S. athletes. I do not favor any Ingebrigtsen athlete.
Grant Fisher trains 90-95 a week and not 110-120…so he isn’t a 10k guy either according your dumb blind fanboy for Jakob eyes, right?
“No but you need to run more mileage to train for the 10k man, that’s what I read off of trackstaa and sweat elite with their training”
Wow. You sure got upset o.p. You changed your username so you can really hide.
If Grant Fisher has peak fall/winter mileage at (90 to 95) miles per week, then G Fisher trains like a 3000m athlete. I asked a question. Does J Kerr log (110 to 120) miles per week in winter or not? If he does not then do not post that J Kerr trains like a 10000m man.
Dumb blind fanboy? I am the most objective poster here. I am the most fair poster. I slightly favor U.S. athletes. I do not favor any Ingebrigtsen athlete.
To be clear, I’m a different poster than Notbutlike…
I don’t think “training like a 10k guy” and “running 110-120 miles a week” are the same thing. What I mean is that his workouts are geared more towards 10k than they would be for a 1500. Long tempos, mile repeats, etc. I’m sure he touches on this stuff throughout the year, but in the fall and winter, those workouts are the focus. Just because you run X mileage doesn’t mean you’re training for Y event.
Does anyone know this? Is it the Norwegian method?
Not even close to the Norwegian method. Believe it or not, not everybody is training that way.
Josh has talked about his training in a bunch of podcasts. The interview on the Inside Running podcast from early 2022 is great. He runs six days a week. Around 60-70 miles give or take. Sometimes more, sometimes less. In the winter, he trains like a 10k guy, in the spring, he trains like a 5k guy, in the summer, he trains like an 800m guy and only does true, hard miler type workouts in the last 8 weeks or so before the big race. Lower mileage but very strength based. Hard 10 mile tempos. I believe Mackey mentioned in the citius mag podcast, or maybe a different podcast, that Kerr did a 10 miler at like 5:02 pace at altitude this past summer. No double thresholds. Sorry, folks. You can be good without it.
Great inside, helpful thanks.
He seems to train very broad in base phase and close to a certain race very specific.
Kerr has talked quite a bit about his training on his podcast/others:
- 6 days a week with a rest day, always - Never doubles (at least as of a few years ago) - 2 hard workouts a week + a moderate long run - 2 gym sessions a week (on workout days) - Drills/strides once per week - 60-70 mpw, winter closer to 70, race season closer to 60
Training week:
M: Easy + drills/strides T: Workout - tempo/intervals/fartlek/hills + gym W: Off R: Easy F: Workout - track specific + gym S: Easy Su: Long run (15-16 mi)
Few other important details I have picked up:
- Has started a 'strict' diet plan with a nutritionist (this is less common in running but normal in other pro sports) - Sees a sports psychologist regularly, my impression is that he has nailed the inner confidence aspect of pro sports - Afternoon naps are a regular part of his daily routine
Some thoughts:
- From what I have read, his training is very similar to Bernard Lagat's back in the day when he was training for 1500/5k (aside from the gym work). - Hats off to Coach Mackey: he has clearly come up with a system that works for Kerr. Many pro teams are hopping on the double T band wagon (off the top of my head: On Europe, Very Nice Track Club, Tinman, etc. have all incorporated double T). Mackey on the other hand has 'stuck to his guns,' with great success. Just goes to show that double T can work, but it is not the end all be all. - People overestimate the amount of mileage required to succeed at distances from 800 to half-marathon. Of course, the adaptive response to mileage varies from person to person, but pros like Kerr, Lagat, Brazier, Knight, etc. demonstrate that high mileage is not necessary to run at a high level. Even Bowerman have drastically lowered their mileage since the Solinsky days of 120+ Jerry miles in the early 2010s.
Finally, for training specifics: Henry Wynne, Kerr's training partner, posted all Brooks Beast workouts up until 2021-ish on Strava. Currently, Waleed Suliman is on Strava posting his training with the Beasts. Go take a look if you want workouts details.
- People overestimate the amount of mileage required to succeed at distances from 800 to half-marathon. Of course, the adaptive response to mileage varies from person to person, but pros like Kerr, Lagat, Brazier, Knight, etc. demonstrate that high mileage is not necessary to run at a high level. Even Bowerman have drastically lowered their mileage since the Solinsky days of 120+ Jerry miles in the early 2010s.
Going up to 10K/Half Marathon may be extreme. I'd agree up to 5,000. It seems there're plenty of athletes with pretty good success running 50-70 mpw in these events. That starts to tail off a lot at 10,000 and HM. It doesn't mean you have to kill yourself to run 100-110 mpw, which Grant Fisher tried to do with a resulting injury. Cheptegei, Bekele, Kipchoge et al. ran 75-90 mpw albeit at very high altitude while 5K/10K guys.
Kerr's mileage really isn't that low for his competitor group — we are just very exposed to Jakob's thinking/philosophy. From what we can gather from what has been said about their training, Tim Cheruiyot/Laros/Hocker/Gourley seem to be pretty similar as far as volume. The ON guys/Katir (it seems) run a little bit more (70-80mpw), Jakob/Nordas run a fair bit more (90-110mpw), and a guy like Wightman (50-60mpw) runs a little bit less.
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Not even close to the Norwegian method. Believe it or not, not everybody is training that way.
Josh has talked about his training in a bunch of podcasts. The interview on the Inside Running podcast from early 2022 is great. He runs six days a week. Around 60-70 miles give or take. Sometimes more, sometimes less. In the winter, he trains like a 10k guy, in the spring, he trains like a 5k guy, in the summer, he trains like an 800m guy and only does true, hard miler type workouts in the last 8 weeks or so before the big race. Lower mileage but very strength based. Hard 10 mile tempos. I believe Mackey mentioned in the citius mag podcast, or maybe a different podcast, that Kerr did a 10 miler at like 5:02 pace at altitude this past summer. No double thresholds. Sorry, folks. You can be good without it.
You said J Kerr runs (60 to 70) miles per week then you said he trains like a 10000m guy in winter. Does he run (110 to 120) miles a week in the winter or not?
Running more mileage doesn't mean you're training for longer distances lol