In the age of super shoes and better track surfaces, do you guys think the record has a chance to be broken in the coming years, or is it just too far beyond everyone else?
BREAKING NEWS 2001. Alan Webb did not set a mile record in a HS outdoor meet. Gary Martin will take that record from Jim Ryun once his 2022 time is ratified.
correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt he race a mile outdoors a year later, and only get like a 3:58?
Yes. Letsrun users like to do "conversions" between different events, which never lineup well because they can't understand that athletes specialize towards an event. It's like how in 2021, Cole Hocker ran 3:50i for the mile, which converts for 3:33 for the 1500, but in actuality, he was a 3:35 guy, which you could tell from NCAAs and USAs where he'd only run 3:35.
correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt he race a mile outdoors a year later, and only get like a 3:58?
Yes. Letsrun users like to do "conversions" between different events, which never lineup well because they can't understand that athletes specialize towards an event. It's like how in 2021, Cole Hocker ran 3:50i for the mile, which converts for 3:33 for the 1500, but in actuality, he was a 3:35 guy, which you could tell from NCAAs and USAs where he'd only run 3:35.
Tell us again what 1500m time Cole Hocker ran in 2021 at the Tokyo Olympics? 3:31? Oh... right...
correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt he race a mile outdoors a year later, and only get like a 3:58?
Yes. Letsrun users like to do "conversions" between different events, which never lineup well because they can't understand that athletes specialize towards an event.
Yes, because 1500m training is so wildly different than training for the mile. Clearly 1500m guys do'nt have the endurance to handle that extra 109m, they would just start walking at that point
These threads are dumb. Of course somebody will eventually break it. Name a record, no matter how insane it is, that has gone “unbroken”. They all get broken. Waste of space on the letsrun server.
Yes. Letsrun users like to do "conversions" between different events, which never lineup well because they can't understand that athletes specialize towards an event.
Yes, because 1500m training is so wildly different than training for the mile. Clearly 1500m guys do'nt have the endurance to handle that extra 109m, they would just start walking at that point
Exactly. Look at Kessler's 800 and 2 mile pbs in high school. All significantly slower than a 3:35 1500 points to. His 3:57i is better than the 800 and 2 mile performances, but the extra distance definitely took its toll on Kessler. My guess is he just didn't have the aerobic strength for it since he'd only been running for a couple years.
correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt he race a mile outdoors a year later, and only get like a 3:58?
Webb didn't even break 4 the year after HS. There were a bunch of threads on here predicting that Webb would never beat his HS time and he was done. Some things never change. Three years after HS he ran 3:50 then 3:48 the following year.
Are you asking whether someone will run 3:50y in superspikes? Because that may be the equivalent.
I would never say never because I thought Ryun's record was incomprehensible and Webb demolished it. What HS Ryun could have done in the same race with the same spikes I don't know. Legends!
If a 17 year old 11th grade Aussie can run 3:33 for 1500m then yes it will be broken. But in saying that I don't know if there is a high school coach that can get any USA high schooler to that level. Superior coaching is needed for the next USA kid under 3:55 for the mile.
These threads are dumb. Of course somebody will eventually break it. Name a record, no matter how insane it is, that has gone “unbroken”. They all get broken. Waste of space on the letsrun server.
Ryun's record was 36 yrs old when Webb beat it.
Women's 800m and 400m records are 36 yrs old.
All of the male jumps (high, long, triple) are over 25 yrs old.
Women's 100m is 31 yrs old.
I would not be surprised if some of these last another 20-30 years.
Yes, because 1500m training is so wildly different than training for the mile. Clearly 1500m guys do'nt have the endurance to handle that extra 109m, they would just start walking at that point
Exactly. Look at Kessler's 800 and 2 mile pbs in high school. All significantly slower than a 3:35 1500 points to. His 3:57i is better than the 800 and 2 mile performances, but the extra distance definitely took its toll on Kessler. My guess is he just didn't have the aerobic strength for it since he'd only been running for a couple years.
You're being this obtuse on purpose surely. Firstly, you didn't even refute their point because we're talking about the ridiculousness of claiming the 1500m and mile are wildy different, not the 1500m vs. 800 and 2 mile. Also, 1:47.xx split at the state meet is in line with his ability and an 8:39 jogging the whole way and then kicking down the last lap basically by himself making the everyone else look like they're standing still does not exactly demonstrate that time was his limit.
BREAKING NEWS 2001. Alan Webb did not set a mile record in a HS outdoor meet. Gary Martin will take that record from Jim Ryun once his 2022 time is ratified.
How's that ratification going? Has the groundskeeper installed a rail on the track yet? Will some advanced photoshopping make it look like it was there at the time he ran?
3 facts:
Martin's big breakthrough is not ratified, certified, or official in any way.