Chances of the Two Hour Marathon going down this year 2023 in Chicago or Valencia?

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9 months ago 10/08/2023 3:29am EDT

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High level among the favourites in the men's field, with the debut of Cheptegei and a tough battle among the main women's competitors in the Valencia Marathon

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Valencia Marathon just announced this year's elite field.

Kibiwott Kandie (57:32) Previous HM record holder just 1 second behind Jacob Kiplimo

Alexander Mutiso (57:59 HM / 2:03:29 M) Also part of the Sub58 Group and had an Insane Debut Last year of 2:03 which would've been the fastest Marathon Debut had it not been for Kelvin Kiptum's 2:01:53

Joshua Cheptegei (12:35 5K / 26:11 10K / 59:21 HM) While his Half Marathons have not been as potent as 58:xx . He ran the 5000m in 12:41 this year despite being 3 years passed his prime in 2020. So his potential is very high.

Being that Valencia Marathon's Sponsorship with Trinidad Alfonso ends in 2024. It is very likely they're going all in on the race for Sub 2 now that Kipchoge struggled to go after WR in Berlin.

Plus, The Chicago Marathon pacers for today are estimated to go out at 2:01 Pace. Which leaves a bit of a negative gap for Kelvin Kiptum but can possibly set the stage for a Sub 2.

Thoughts?

9 months ago 10/08/2023 4:34am EDT

re: code5800

code5800 wrote:
Link:www.valenciaciudaddelrunning.com/en/el...
Valencia Marathon just announced this year's elite field.
Kibiwott Kandie (57:32) Previous HM record holder just 1 second behind Jacob Kiplimo
Alexander Mutiso (57:59 HM / 2:03:29 M) Also part of the Sub58 Group and had an Insane Debut Last year of 2:03 which would've been the fastest Marathon Debut had it not been for Kelvin Kiptum's 2:01:53
Joshua Cheptegei (12:35 5K / 26:11 10K / 59:21 HM) While his Half Marathons have not been as potent as 58:xx . He ran the 5000m in 12:41 this year despite being 3 years passed his prime in 2020. So his potential is very high.
Being that Valencia Marathon's Sponsorship with Trinidad Alfonso ends in 2024. It is very likely they're going all in on the race for Sub 2 now that Kipchoge struggled to go after WR in Berlin.
Plus, The Chicago Marathon pacers for today are estimated to go out at 2:01 Pace. Which leaves a bit of a negative gap for Kelvin Kiptum but can possibly set the stage for a Sub 2.
Thoughts?

Chicago is not renowned to be a super fast course so a sub 2 will be a challenge for Kiptum. My estimate is a high 2:01. Valencia for a sub 2, very unlikely. The times you mentioned are super quick for the 5km up to the half but the marathon is a totally different beast. Very, very unlikely to see a debut marathoner break the 2hr barrier. Mutiso could be interesting though. Don’t think he would be quite capable of a leap from a 2:03 to a sub 2 yet however.

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9 months ago 10/08/2023 4:45am EDT

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Chicago is not renowned to be a super fast course so a sub 2 will be a challenge for Kiptum. My estimate is a high 2:01. Valencia for a sub 2, very unlikely. The times you mentioned are super quick for the 5km up to the half but the marathon is a totally different beast. Very, very unlikely to see a debut marathoner break the 2hr barrier. Mutiso could be interesting though. Don’t think he would be quite capable of a leap from a 2:03 to a sub 2 yet however.

The hype of Kiptum is very huge right now that's why. Many commenters and even Total Running Productions have theorized he'll enter WR pace going in. To give him the benefit of the doubt, he ran 2:01:25 in London with a massive negative split despite Weather conditions. You don't just run 59:45 after opening in 2:03 Pace. That is a massive anomaly in Marathon History. Plus, Chicago isn't too far off from Ideal conditions. Galen Rupp nearly PR'd in 2021 despite injuries.

As for Valencia, It was the setting where Kiptum debuted in 2:01....SO....Not exactly a slow course. Plus, Cheptegei does have a massive base to build from. 4:34 per mile will definitely be a tempo run the opening 15-20km. I don't know, I'm nervous to find out how this year ends. It's a very Bannister-like time in the Marathon right now.

How long do you think the Two Hour Marathon will last?

9 months ago 10/08/2023 5:06am EDT

re: code5800

code5800 wrote:
GreatDane wrote:
Chicago is not renowned to be a super fast course so a sub 2 will be a challenge for Kiptum. My estimate is a high 2:01. Valencia for a sub 2, very unlikely. The times you mentioned are super quick for the 5km up to the half but the marathon is a totally different beast. Very, very unlikely to see a debut marathoner break the 2hr barrier. Mutiso could be interesting though. Don’t think he would be quite capable of a leap from a 2:03 to a sub 2 yet however.
The hype of Kiptum is very huge right now that's why. Many commenters and even Total Running Productions have theorized he'll enter WR pace going in. To give him the benefit of the doubt, he ran 2:01:25 in London with a massive negative split despite Weather conditions. You don't just run 59:45 after opening in 2:03 Pace. That is a massive anomaly in Marathon History. Plus, Chicago isn't too far off from Ideal conditions. Galen Rupp nearly PR'd in 2021 despite injuries.
As for Valencia, It was the setting where Kiptum debuted in 2:01....SO....Not exactly a slow course. Plus, Cheptegei does have a massive base to build from. 4:34 per mile will definitely be a tempo run the opening 15-20km. I don't know, I'm nervous to find out how this year ends. It's a very Bannister-like time in the Marathon right now.
How long do you think the Two Hour Marathon will last?

I’m super excited for Chicago either way. On second analysis there have been a couple of super fast women’s marathons (both 2:14) there so maybe Kiptum could do something super special. Would love to see him break Kipchoge’s WR. Sub 2 wise (barring any long term injury) I think Kiptum is the guy to do it. Berlin next year if not too soon after the Olympics, or otherwise 2025 could be when he does it.

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9 months ago 10/08/2023 5:35am EDT

re: GreatDane

GreatDane wrote:
I’m super excited for Chicago either way. On second analysis there have been a couple of super fast women’s marathons (both 2:14) there so maybe Kiptum could do something super special. Would love to see him break Kipchoge’s WR. Sub 2 wise (barring any long term injury) I think Kiptum is the guy to do it. Berlin next year if not too soon after the Olympics, or otherwise 2025 could be when he does it.

As Super Bias as this would sound, I was really hoping that the Two Hour Barrier could be survived or broken by either Kipchoge (Doubt it at this point) or Jacob Kiplimo...or even Rhonex Kipruto but with his suspension,,I doubt it.

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