Zoom waffles for training in?

What about the Streakfly?

Personally I find the Streakfly pretty soft and squishy, despite the low weight. Not what I'd consider minimal. I've heard good things about the adidas adios and think those would be a better flat to do regular training in, as the waffles and other xc flats will wear out pretty quick.

I'll admit I've never run in them.

But from people at my track club who have them, they're not all that good.

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Nike ZoomX Streakfly Review

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The Streakfly is an excellent lightweight trainer, but an average racing shoe.

Link:www.solereview.com/nike-zoomx-streakfl...

This review put me off them and did a better job of articulating my friends' complaints (too squishy and unresponsive).

Additionally the outsole is horrible

Yeah the Adios 7s might be a good shout. Not super keen on the drop (27mm/19mm heel/forefoot) but could probably get used to it

I have 2 pairs that I bought for around $190 combined. I treat them as a knockoff Vaporfly or whatever super shoe you prefer. I like them for being able to run fast (ish - around tempo, 5:05 for me) in a workout without putting on spikes and tearing up my feet. I did note that they began falling apart after around 200 miles though.

I also ran a road 5k in them - I think they're better for kicking than the Vaporfly and significantly better around corners, but I also think they're around ~1.5s slower per mile on a completely straight / flat road course (i.e. running 4:50 will have the strain of between 4:48-4:49)

It depends what you value more though. In that race, I was running it as a tempo effort around 5 flat and I thought they were good and they were easier to kick especially with tight turns. But if it were a time trial where you don't need a kick and perfectly straight and flat, I'd prefer the vapor fly.

Interesting abt the 200 miles, fwiw the Fastwitch lasted more than twice as far for me.

To clarify, I race in vaporflies for road 5ks but don't really like to train in them. When I retire them and get a new pair I'm planning to use the old ones for a few key hard sessions but not the bulk of my training.

For easy runs and occasional for tempos I currently have the kinvara 13 and ride 15s (prefer the kinvaras, will probavly try out the 14s next).

Basically trying to fill the gap in my shoe rotation for sessions. I usually race on the track so I'm worried about using cushiony vaporflies all the time for training and then having to make the switch to aggressive track spikes. Additionally vaporflies feel a bit clunky and unstable for quicker, shorter reps on the track (200s/400s etc). I use spikes for very short fast reps but don't really want to use them for say, 20x400 or 8x600 or whatever.

A few others I have looked at are the Takumi sen (worried i'll have same issues as I do with vaporflies as they're a somewhat similar style of shoe) and also the new Saucony Sinister (expensive and can't find many good reviews)

I use a pair of the Zoom Victory XC 5's waffles as a soft surface intervals shoe and they've been great. I like to put them on for faster reps and usually rock them without socks. If you stick to softer surfaces I'd say they are pretty solid, they just don't have a lot of rubber so I'd keep them off road and whatnot. Very noticeably lighter than my Speed 2s and all other trainers and would say it's worth it if you can find them cheap.