I just do not understand how people are signed in professional running. 33 year old Andy Bayer gets a contract over 28 year old Eric Holt? Yes, Holt bombed in the US final and has not proven to be the caliber runner to be consistently making teams. But what is a 33 year old Andy Bayer going to add that Holt won't? Holt has proven that he is consistently going to win domestic mile/1500 races and I can see him doing that for a year or two more. That has some value to companies clearly because guys like Engels, Prakel, Gregorek, Wynne are all sponsored and losing to Holt. I am not sure what Andy Bayer is going to be doing in the near future. Bayer got 9th in the final in the steeplechase this year at USAs. He definitely has a way more decorated past than Holt, but this makes no sense moving into the future in my opinion. I did not think Holt was going to get a contract after his performance at USAs because of young guns like Nathan Green and Joe Waskom that have a huge upside, but I am so curious about this decision. If Bayer gets a contract, Holt definitely deserves one.
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I don't know about On in general but they wouldn't sign another American 1500m runner to OAC. They try to deflect direct rivalries when it comes to making international teams.
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How can you compare athletes without knowing all the details? I am guessing the Bayer contract isn’t much. Holt and co may be trying to hold out for something better than what’s been offered so far
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840FTL wrote:
How can you compare athletes without knowing all the details? I am guessing the Bayer contract isn’t much. Holt and co may be trying to hold out for something better than what’s been offered so far
This^
Also Bayer was a WC finalist and is 7th all-time in US history. What are Holt's credentials?
Bayer will likely make a good run at making it to Paris next year and is more likely than Holt to be an Olympian.
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Maybe Bayer sighed for $10K but Hoot demanded $50K.
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kdjf wrote:
I don't know about On in general but they wouldn't sign another American 1500m runner to OAC. They try to deflect direct rivalries when it comes to making international teams.
This. Their stated goal is 1 runner per country in their event in OAC. THe only place they have stretched this a bit is Hurta 800/1500, Andrews 1500/5000, Monson 5000/10000.
Bayer is us steeple, Beamish NZ steeple. ON also sponsors runners not in OAC, with other coaching.
Holt would conflict w/Nuguse.
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If you read the article, he was signed to pace Beamish.
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840FTL wrote:
How can you compare athletes without knowing all the details? I am guessing the Bayer contract isn’t much. Holt and co may be trying to hold out for something better than what’s been offered so far
This was the only reasoning I could come up with as well, but I don't think Holt should be holding out from any contract
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Gator bait wrote:
kdjf wrote:
I don't know about On in general but they wouldn't sign another American 1500m runner to OAC. They try to deflect direct rivalries when it comes to making international teams.
This. Their stated goal is 1 runner per country in their event in OAC. THe only place they have stretched this a bit is Hurta 800/1500, Andrews 1500/5000, Monson 5000/10000.
Bayer is us steeple, Beamish NZ steeple. ON also sponsors runners not in OAC, with other coaching.
Holt would conflict w/Nuguse.
LOL
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Signed to teach Beamish.
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Bayer was Jager’s protege for years. Learned all the training, technique, etc while at BTC and with Dobert.
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Hgx wrote:
If you read the article, he was signed to pace Beamish.
I might be have missed it (the citius website almost crashed my work computer) but where does it say he was signed to teach/pace beamish?
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The real question is how does David Ribich have a contract if Holt doesn’t
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4lexgeula wrote:
But what is a 33 year old Andy Bayer going to add that Holt won't?
He definitely has a way more decorated past than Holt,
in my opinion. I did not think Holt was going to get a contract after his performance at USAs because of young guns like Nathan Green and Joe Waskom that have a huge upside, ..
Andy Bayer is a way more compelling story than Holt. He has a better overall career too. Holt is not nearly as valuable as you think.
You answered your own question.
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My assumption was that the only logical reason for him to be there would be so that Beamish would have a steeple training partner.
There’s plenty of young steeple talent in the NCAA though if they really wanted to go that route. Strange, in my opinion.
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Gator bait wrote:
kdjf wrote:
I don't know about On in general but they wouldn't sign another American 1500m runner to OAC. They try to deflect direct rivalries when it comes to making international teams.
This. Their stated goal is 1 runner per country in their event in OAC. THe only place they have stretched this a bit is Hurta 800/1500, Andrews 1500/5000, Monson 5000/10000.
Bayer is us steeple, Beamish NZ steeple. ON also sponsors runners not in OAC, with other coaching.
Holt would conflict w/Nuguse.
Where does his post say he will be training with OAC? It just says he is signing with On Running? He can run for On without being apart of OAC.
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This and also ... this is the first time I have heard of this Holt fella. I have heard of Andy Bayer. And yes, I follow the sport.
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Why are the fanboys on here so obsessed with Eric Holt? He is never making a team.
Andy Bayer has a good shot for Paris.
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Holt doesn't have an agent... that's why.
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backdoor_betty wrote:
This and also ... this is the first time I have heard of this Holt fella. I have heard of Andy Bayer. And yes, I follow the sport.
Well to be fair, Holt gets a lot of action on social media. He's kind of the people's champ, but not an actual champ. Citius retweets him and posts his results often. He's had a solid year, but his story does not match the comeback story of Andy Bayer. Giving up the sport and making a comeback during an olympic cycle is lightyears ahead in value here.
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