I purchased a pair of Nike ZoomX Vaporfly Next% from ebay which turned out to be fake. I then bought a second pair from Nike's official website and compared ...
If the fake Vaporflys use the Pebax-foam formula the original Vaporly 4% used, then I believe they probably are faster than the current "super shoes."
I was a big believer in Vaporflys when the original 4% came out (I had the orange ones). That shoe felt like a rocket and the foam felt crazy, under my feet, unlike any other shoe I'd ever worn. It was the best shoe I've ever owned.
But with each version, the foam-responsiveness is different. I'm convinced they keep changing the Pebax foam, so I've lost my confidence in these shoes, quite a bit. It seems Nike has admitted they tweak the formula. I've also tried at least one other Pebax-foam brands (Saucony Endorphin Pro 2) and they also don't feel anywhere near the super-bounce the original 4%, either.
I was ride or die for Nike after that original Vaporfly 4%, but since they keep changing the formula, I no longer am.
Even the Alphafly Next% 2's that I own, which is supposed to be more advanced than any of the previous versions, don't feel as responsive as that original shoe.
So, yeah. Give me some fake Nike's, as long as they use that original super-responsive Pebax foam.
are pebax form expensive? maybe will try to start a shoe company and just sell 10$ racing shoes to everyone. Nike is trying to make the competitive running into expensive cycling sport. By the time we fail to realise, there wiill be solar powered 8300usd shoes whereby it will be legal but only the very ones at the top could afford and no hope for runners with humbe beginnings and dreams
I looked into making flip flops but they stopped selling the packages. Also, I don't like flip flops any more really as they're probably bad for your feet. Trainers are a lot better :).
seriously men.... sometimes i wonder what is Nike main objective in this world..are they genuinely interested to make peope run or just want to sell shoes
It proves the whole thing is a placebo. The fake ones were probably faster because the real ones make you worse. But not worse enough to negate the placebo entirely.
If the fake Vaporflys use the Pebax-foam formula the original Vaporly 4% used, then I believe they probably are faster than the current "super shoes."
I was a big believer in Vaporflys when the original 4% came out (I had the orange ones). That shoe felt like a rocket and the foam felt crazy, under my feet, unlike any other shoe I'd ever worn. It was the best shoe I've ever owned.
But with each version, the foam-responsiveness is different. I'm convinced they keep changing the Pebax foam, so I've lost my confidence in these shoes, quite a bit. It seems Nike has admitted they tweak the formula. I've also tried at least one other Pebax-foam brands (Saucony Endorphin Pro 2) and they also don't feel anywhere near the super-bounce the original 4%, either.
I was ride or die for Nike after that original Vaporfly 4%, but since they keep changing the formula, I no longer am.
Even the Alphafly Next% 2's that I own, which is supposed to be more advanced than any of the previous versions, don't feel as responsive as that original shoe.
So, yeah. Give me some fake Nike's, as long as they use that original super-responsive Pebax foam.
Speaking of, I have 6 pairs of the OG 4% in 10.5. Reckon those would sell easily on eBay?
If the fake Vaporflys use the Pebax-foam formula the original Vaporly 4% used, then I believe they probably are faster than the current "super shoes."
I was a big believer in Vaporflys when the original 4% came out (I had the orange ones). That shoe felt like a rocket and the foam felt crazy, under my feet, unlike any other shoe I'd ever worn. It was the best shoe I've ever owned.
But with each version, the foam-responsiveness is different. I'm convinced they keep changing the Pebax foam, so I've lost my confidence in these shoes, quite a bit. It seems Nike has admitted they tweak the formula. I've also tried at least one other Pebax-foam brands (Saucony Endorphin Pro 2) and they also don't feel anywhere near the super-bounce the original 4%, either.
I was ride or die for Nike after that original Vaporfly 4%, but since they keep changing the formula, I no longer am.
Even the Alphafly Next% 2's that I own, which is supposed to be more advanced than any of the previous versions, don't feel as responsive as that original shoe.
So, yeah. Give me some fake Nike's, as long as they use that original super-responsive Pebax foam.
I'm with you. The 4% FK felt like it was bouncing you down the road. I have a pair with 600km on them and they still feel more responsive than a pair of box-fresh Next%. Nike hit the perfect formula with the OG 4%, every iteration since then has been slightly disappointing. I'd love them to re-issue the 4%
So he ran 2 5ks on the treadmill -- 1 in the knockoffs & 1 in the real thing. Then repeated the test times 6. He calls them 5k time trials but also said they were threshold (7.5/10) efforts. He ran them back to back, with a weird amount of rest (45min in between). Said his heart rate averaged 2s lower and that he ran 14s faster in the fakes. I guess he did it enough times but you're the one controlling the speeds I don't get why you wouldn't leave the treadmill at the same speed. He's the one making the treadmill go faster. There are a million factors that could have 5k splits in a 2 x 5k workout apart by a reasonable amount of time like that.
So he ran 2 5ks on the treadmill -- 1 in the knockoffs & 1 in the real thing. Then repeated the test times 6. He calls them 5k time trials but also said they were threshold (7.5/10) efforts. He ran them back to back, with a weird amount of rest (45min in between). Said his heart rate averaged 2s lower and that he ran 14s faster in the fakes. I guess he did it enough times but you're the one controlling the speeds I don't get why you wouldn't leave the treadmill at the same speed. He's the one making the treadmill go faster. There are a million factors that could have 5k splits in a 2 x 5k workout apart by a reasonable amount of time like that.
All correct, and we can't from this conclude that the fakes are faster. But we can conclude that the difference between the two (for this runner) is minimal, which is crazy considering the fakes are 1/8th the price.
If the fake Vaporflys use the Pebax-foam formula the original Vaporly 4% used, then I believe they probably are faster than the current "super shoes."
I was a big believer in Vaporflys when the original 4% came out (I had the orange ones). That shoe felt like a rocket and the foam felt crazy, under my feet, unlike any other shoe I'd ever worn. It was the best shoe I've ever owned.
But with each version, the foam-responsiveness is different. I'm convinced they keep changing the Pebax foam, so I've lost my confidence in these shoes, quite a bit. It seems Nike has admitted they tweak the formula. I've also tried at least one other Pebax-foam brands (Saucony Endorphin Pro 2) and they also don't feel anywhere near the super-bounce the original 4%, either.
I was ride or die for Nike after that original Vaporfly 4%, but since they keep changing the formula, I no longer am.
Even the Alphafly Next% 2's that I own, which is supposed to be more advanced than any of the previous versions, don't feel as responsive as that original shoe.
So, yeah. Give me some fake Nike's, as long as they use that original super-responsive Pebax foam.
I agree they change it, but the OG Vaporfly Next% was also awesome.
My view is that:
OG 4% = 9.9/10
OG NEXT% = 10/10
OG ALPHAFLY = 10/10
NEXT% 2 = 9/10
ALPHAFLY 2 = 8/10
Haven't tried NEXT3 yet. I might get an adidas shoe instead. Adios Pro 3 looks pretty dope.
If the fake Vaporflys use the Pebax-foam formula the original Vaporly 4% used, then I believe they probably are faster than the current "super shoes."
I was a big believer in Vaporflys when the original 4% came out (I had the orange ones). That shoe felt like a rocket and the foam felt crazy, under my feet, unlike any other shoe I'd ever worn. It was the best shoe I've ever owned.
But with each version, the foam-responsiveness is different. I'm convinced they keep changing the Pebax foam, so I've lost my confidence in these shoes, quite a bit. It seems Nike has admitted they tweak the formula. I've also tried at least one other Pebax-foam brands (Saucony Endorphin Pro 2) and they also don't feel anywhere near the super-bounce the original 4%, either.
I was ride or die for Nike after that original Vaporfly 4%, but since they keep changing the formula, I no longer am.
Even the Alphafly Next% 2's that I own, which is supposed to be more advanced than any of the previous versions, don't feel as responsive as that original shoe.
So, yeah. Give me some fake Nike's, as long as they use that original super-responsive Pebax foam.
Speaking of, I have 6 pairs of the OG 4% in 10.5. Reckon those would sell easily on eBay?
All correct, and we can't from this conclude that the fakes are faster. But we can conclude that the difference between the two (for this runner) is minimal, which is crazy considering the fakes are 1/8th the price.
Can we? All I can conclude is that this runner might not be good at running by feel. If he races in both a week apart then maybe, but this trial is meaningless to me.